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Off topic as Im trying to calculate max MSD's...Does ED still earn you a .0003 reduction? .0013 = .001, then reduce for max MSD's?
Actually it's just the opposite. If the current base money factor is 0.0013 then you add 0.0003 for ED, making the ED money factor 0.0016. Then you deduct 0.00049 for 7 MSD = 0.00111.

With ED, you pay the first lease payment when you sign the lease and then BMWFS pays the second lease payment 30 days later when it comes due. You resume paying your monthly lease payments with the 3rd payment.
 
Actually it's just the opposite. If the current base money factor is 0.0013 then you add 0.0003 for ED, making the ED money factor 0.0016. Then you deduct 0.00049 for 7 MSD = 0.00111.

With ED, you pay the first lease payment when you sign the lease and then BMWFS pays the second lease payment 30 days later when it comes due. You resume paying your monthly lease payments with the 3rd payment.
Bubble burst......
 
Was not really shopping for a new vehicle but went ahead and had a sale rep run numbers on a new '15 X5. I was dissappointed in the lack of discounting on the sales price itself but what really "got me going" was that they wanted a .00155 MF vs. the .0013 represented on here. This was for a 36 month/10K lease. This is the same sales rep that sold me my 2012 (non-lease). He knows I have exceptional credit and could simply write a check if I so desired.

Is this simply another ploy to try and gough a client? Needless to say, the numbers I ran don't align with his "fantasy". Why would the MF be SO high?
 
Was not really shopping for a new vehicle but went ahead and had a sale rep run numbers on a new '15 X5. I was dissappointed in the lack of discounting on the sales price itself but what really "got me going" was that they wanted a .00155 MF vs. the .0013 represented on here. This was for a 36 month/10K lease. This is the same sales rep that sold me my 2012 (non-lease). He knows I have exceptional credit and could simply write a check if I so desired.

Is this simply another ploy to try and gough a client? Needless to say, the numbers I ran don't align with his "fantasy". Why would the MF be SO high?
Many dealers will start off with an inflated MF because it is easy profit for them since a large portion of the buying public doesn't understand how leasing works just have their mind set on a payment (a dealer's dream). So they come out with an inflated MF and work downwards from there as needed. No different than them not starting with their lowest price.
 
Thanks and I figured that but this guy is the same guy I bought my '12 from and he KNOWS I don't play that game. His dad is also a friend so I suspect he was likely "asked" to artifically inflate it for his finance team. It was an excellent reason for me to simply walk without ANY negotiation what-so-ever. Residual was also low @ 59% so another reason for me to walk away. Maybe some incentives will come out next month...:rofl:

or maybe I should just reach out to the Cali dealer on here and see what kind of numbers he could work up for me...
 
Was not really shopping for a new vehicle but went ahead and had a sale rep run numbers on a new '15 X5. I was dissappointed in the lack of discounting on the sales price itself but what really "got me going" was that they wanted a .00155 MF vs. the .0013 represented on here. This was for a 36 month/10K lease. This is the same sales rep that sold me my 2012 (non-lease). He knows I have exceptional credit and could simply write a check if I so desired.

Is this simply another ploy to try and gough a client? Needless to say, the numbers I ran don't align with his "fantasy". Why would the MF be SO high?
The X5 has been in high demand for some time now, which is why BMW doesn't bother supporting it the way they support the other models. However, it's always a good idea to compare deals between more than one dealer and negotiate with the dealer you think you would prefer to buy from if he can get his act together.

As far as the money factor is concerned, BMWFS allows the dealer to mark it up by as much as 0.0004. So if the base rate is 0.0013, then it can be marked up to 0.0017 or anything in between by the dealer to earn finance reserve profit. That's something you have to negotiate along with all the other things you have to negotiate when leasing a car. Don't forget to check what they're asking for the acquisition fee and the "doc fee." BMWFS charges an acquisition fee of $795 but dealers are allowed to mark it up to $995 to earn extra income. The "doc fee" can vary greatly from state-to-state and that's another source of dealer profit.

It's all just part of the negotiation process. Have fun, sort of, and don't take it too personal. The poor guy is just quoting you what his boss wants him to quote you. It's your job to get them to loosen up a little. :)
 
The X5 has been in high demand for some time now, which is why BMW doesn't bother supporting it the way they support the other models. However, it's always a good idea to compare deals between more than one dealer and negotiate with the dealer you think you would prefer to buy from if he can get his act together.

As far as the money factor is concerned, BMWFS allows the dealer to mark it up by as much as 0.0004. So if the base rate is 0.0013, then it can be marked up to 0.0017 or anything in between by the dealer to earn finance reserve profit. That's something you have to negotiate along with all the other things you have to negotiate when leasing a car. Don't forget to check what they're asking for the acquisition fee and the "doc fee." BMWFS charges an acquisition fee of $795 but dealers are allowed to mark it up to $995 to earn extra income. The "doc fee" can vary greatly from state-to-state and that's another source of dealer profit.

It's all just part of the negotiation process. Have fun, sort of, and don't take it too personal. The poor guy is just quoting you what his boss wants him to quote you. It's your job to get them to loosen up a little. :)
Yep, very familiar with "the game". He knows I don't go for it so he also knows that any reply from me would be all the details at the rate I would accept for out the door. If he could match my objectives, I buy a car. If he can't, he knows I have other options at the numbers I came to him with. It worked out well when I went from the 7-series to the X5 ad he knows that he would only get 1 chance once I put my number out there. I don't negotiate from a point of weakness. In fact, I don't really negotiate at all. I go in educated knowing what the dealer is capable of selling a car for. Dealer's don't like informed buyers but they will take our $$$'s. I think I got something like $10K off my '12 Diesel when I bought it as that was about as good as anyone was doing then. Not certain I want or need to go through that all again but thanks for your reply
 
Puzzled over MSD Refund

Jonathan;

Appreciate all the advice on Bimmerfest. I thought I understood MSDs but in talking to my local dealer while we agree on the effect of 7 msd's on lowering the MF, I thought my 7 MSD @ $700 ea. would result in a refundable deposit of $4900. Instead through some hocus pocus my BMWFS lease shows a refundable deposit shows $4200 and I am told it is calculated by multiplying something to my monthly lease amount and rounding it up to the nearest $50. IS THIS CORRECT? :dunno:

SZan64
Honolulu, HI:
 
Jonathan;

Appreciate all the advice on Bimmerfest. I thought I understood MSDs but in talking to my local dealer while we agree on the effect of 7 msd's on lowering the MF, I thought my 7 MSD @ $700 ea. would result in a refundable deposit of $4900. Instead through some hocus pocus my BMWFS lease shows a refundable deposit shows $4200 and I am told it is calculated by multiplying something to my monthly lease amount and rounding it up to the nearest $50. IS THIS CORRECT? :dunno:

SZan64
Honolulu, HI:
The MSD deposit is calculated by rounding the lease payment (with the lower MSD rate applied) up to the nearest $50 increment. So for example, if the lease payment was $658, it would be rounded up to $700 then multiplied by seven for $4,900.

Similarly, if the payment was $642, it would be rounded up to $650 then multiplied by seven for a total of $4,550.

Whatever the MSD total is, that is the amount refunded at lease end.
 
Got it Now

Thanks Weaselboy. I was under the impression that the MSDs were always $700 per. Thank you for clarifying that it is up to 7 X $700 but the actual amount is determined by your lease rent prior to adjusting:) for MSDs. I have finally seen the light. Aloha.
 
Maybe I have not seen the light. Now that I know how to calculate the MSD amount. How does that amount relate to the reduction in the MF. Is it always .00049 or something different?
 
Maybe I have not seen the light. Now that I know how to calculate the MSD amount. How does that amount relate to the reduction in the MF. Is it always .00049 or something different?
As it says up in the first post:

A lease rate factor reduction of .00007 is applicable for up to seven security deposits beyond the conventional requirement.
For every extra deposit you out down, it will reduce your MF by .00007. You don't have to do all 7, but most people do.
 
Maybe I have not seen the light. Now that I know how to calculate the MSD amount. How does that amount relate to the reduction in the MF. Is it always .00049 or something different?
You take whatever the current MF rate is, now .00130, and subtract the .00049 to get the rate you would use. So if the base rate was say .00128, you would then subtract the .00049 from .00128 for example.
 
Hope this clarifies my question. "You always get the .00049 reduction but your total MSD could be less than $4900?

For example if the total MSD is calculated as $4,200, then I am really purchasing the MSD discount for $600 per a .00007 reduction in MF?

Thanks again for your responses.
 
Hope this clarifies my question. "You always get the .00049 reduction but your total MSD could be less than $4900?

For example if the total MSD is calculated as $4,200, then I am really purchasing the MSD discount for $600 per a .00007 reduction in MF?

Thanks again for your responses.
You are overthinking this :)

A normal security deposit is one months payment. An MSD is just multiple of that deposit (rounded), and for each one you get the .00007 deduction in MF.

My payment was $550 with the reduced MF with 7 MSD. Thus, I had to deposit $3850.
 
Squeak;

Thanks, you are rigt I am overthinking this. I was under the impression what all I read that you can purchase 7 MSD for $700 per or $4,900 for a total of .00049 reduction.

I am now enlightened and pleased that this impression is false and that in actuality it could me much less to purchase 7 MSDs.

Regards and aloha.
 
We did a lease yesterday on a 528i x-drive. 7 MSDs totaled $3850. I calculated the difference between the monthly at .0013 and .00081 which worked out to $44.25 or $1593 saved over 36 months.

That works out to an effective interest rate of 13.8%. Thank you Bimmerfest forums! :thumbup:
hello! sorry for the noob question. how do you calculate how much you save each month?

say my monthly is $460 so my MSD would be 7 x $500 = $3500

using the MF .0013 -> .00081, how much do i save each month? thanks!
 
hello! sorry for the noob question. how do you calculate how much you save each month?

say my monthly is $460 so my MSD would be 7 x $500 = $3500

using the MF .0013 -> .00081, how much do i save each month? thanks!
The monthly rental charge is calculated by multiplying the sum of the adjusted cap cost and the residual by the money factor. For example, if your adjusted cap cost is $55,000 and your residual is $33,000 then you would multiply $88,000 by .0013 to get the monthly rental charge. If you use .00081 instead of .0013 you will get a lower monthly rental charge.
 
I'm still not clear how the 10% return is calculated. Can someone shed some light on this?
 
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