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I am comparing the sizes of the previous and current 3 Series.

Here are the dimensions I found (Euro models)

E21 - 2 Door (L/W/H) 4355mm / 1610mm / 1380mm
E30 - 2 Door 4325mm / 1645mm / 1380mm
E36 - 2 Door 4433mm / 1710mm / 1366mm
E46 - 2 Door 4490mm / 1755mm / 1410mm

As we can see from the table that the E46 is about 15cm longer, 14cm wider and 3cm higher than the E21.

So, what do you guyz think ? Was the E21 an uncomfortable car ? Was it too small ?

How big will be the next 3 series or the one after that ? 5 meter long, 2 meter wide, 1.5 meter high and 2 tons heavy ?
 

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Weights for US Models :

E21 - 323 - 2447 lbs
E30 - 325 - 2810 lbs
E36 - 325 - 3075 lbs
E46 - 325 - 3197 lbs
 

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TD said:
For comparison sake, do you also have access to 5-series dimensions? Also, weights for all of the above?
Based on the dimensions above, I guess the E46 is not THAT much bigger than an E36 after all, huh? :lmao:
 

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OK. 5 Series' Dimensions (Euro Models)

E12 525i (L/W/H) 4620mm / 1700mm / 1415mm
E34 525i 4720mm / 1751mm / 1412mm
E34 (Facelift) 4720mm / 1751mm / 1412mm
E39 523i 4775mm / 1800mm / 1435mm
 
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Alex Baumann said:
OK. 5 Series' Dimensions (Euro Models)

E12 525i (L/W/H) 4620mm / 1700mm / 1415mm
E34 525i 4720mm / 1751mm / 1412mm
E34 (Facelift) 4720mm / 1751mm / 1412mm
E39 523i 4775mm / 1800mm / 1435mm
Where's the E28?
 
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ALEX325i said:


Based on the dimensions above, I guess the E46 is not THAT much bigger than an E36 after all, huh? :lmao:
Those E46 numbers are for EARLY E46s.

I just looked up the weights at Edmunds.com

Here-
2000 328i - 3197 lbs
2001 330i - 3318 lbs
 

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in_d_haus said:
I think the E46 is much more comfortable than the E36 and especially the E30. My elbow rubs on the doorpanel in an E30...
I have the interior dimensions of E36 and E46 (both Limousine)

E 36
Front : 1358mm / Rear : 1353mm

E46
Front : 1384mm / Rear : 1338mm
 

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Alex Baumann said:
OK. 5 Series' Dimensions (Euro Models)

E12 525i (L/W/H) 4620mm / 1700mm / 1415mm
E34 525i 4720mm / 1751mm / 1412mm
E34 (Facelift) 4720mm / 1751mm / 1412mm
E39 523i 4775mm / 1800mm / 1435mm
I can almost see a pattern here...

L - ~5 cm
W - ~5 cm
H - here's the exception. While the E46 is 4.4 cm "taller" than the E36, while the E39 is only 2.3 cm "taller" than the E34...
 
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nate328Ci said:


Smallest weight gain of any 3er generation + lower unsprung weight :lmao:
Again, LOOK at the 2001+ 330's numbers I posted above.

The 2001 330i is ~250 lbs more than my E36 M3 sedan and 4.4 inches taller (remember the center of gravity argument).

Well this sure explains the difference in feel.
 
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Alex Baumann said:


Ooops ! sorry, my bad

E12 525 4620mm / 1690mm / 1425mm
E28 525 4620mm / 1700mm / 1415mm
So, while the E46 does not line up with any past model EXACTLY interms of ALL dimensions, the E46 is more or less sized midway between the E28 and E34 5-series cars.

Just as I suspected.
 

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TD said:


Those E46 numbers are for EARLY E46s.

I just looked up the weights at Edmunds.com

Here-
2000 328i - 3197 lbs
2001 330i - 3318 lbs
I was referring to L/W/H...

Anyway, let's look at the weight difference... Compute bigger brakes, engine, etc, and the weight difference is justified... Even though the 330i is 121 pounds heavier, lb:HP ratio is better on the 330 = I couldn't care less about those extra 121 pounds...
 

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I want to know what options and what conditions (fuel in car, etc.) all these things are measured with. There has to be some sort of standard for doing this.

Someone posted that their iT weighed south of 3300lbs with the spare removed. His car was a lot like mine with very few options. Things like power seats (those weigh a LOT), fullsize spare (47.5lbs for mine) and stuff has to add up.
 

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Kaz said:
I want to know what options and what conditions (fuel in car, etc.) all these things are measured with. There has to be some sort of standard for doing this.

Someone posted that their iT weighed south of 3300lbs with the spare removed. His car was a lot like mine with very few options. Things like power seats (those weigh a LOT), fullsize spare (47.5lbs for mine) and stuff has to add up.
Manufacturer's data. All cars are stock, 5 speed manual.
 
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