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No communication with DSC/ABS module - Looking for any input!

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So this one has me scratching my head bigtime. Ive been trying to chase down an issue regarding the DSC module for almost a month now. Im getting absolutely zero communication from the DSC module, ill update the post in 30 or so minutes (depending on the time you see this) with a list of all codes that im running into, all codes are in some way related to a transmitter (dsc) receiver (FRM,SZL etc) Ive tried a few different DSC units entirely with zero communication from any of them, i do understand that the new units have to be programmed and coded to the car to match the vin and such but correct me if im wrong they should still appear as an active module right? I throw a list of what ive done below (its alot) Im genuinely looking for any type of help and im open to all ideas, Id like this to be a post where someone having similar issues can actually read through and find a solution instead of those posts that just stop.

Going onto things ive tried, starting at the basics
Ive swapped the entire unit with units we had around and/or units we bought, I do suppose the units themselves could be bad but three separate units (not including the one that was in it) aswell as the fact that there is zero communication from any of them, other modules cant find the DSC etc.
Ive gone through all fuses relating to the DSC, ontop of replacing all the fuses inside the fusebox located in the glovebox just to be on the safe side including probing the fuses for the DSC to make sure they actually were getting power and had a ground while ignition was on (Which they all do) the fuses for the specific car im working on are 26, 82 and 90.

I also checked continuity on pins 13 and 38 on the plug for the DSC itself to make sure they actually were grounded

I also jumped into unplugging certain modules that were on the same canbus line as the DCS just to see if something was causing the entire line to go crazy just to see if it brought back communication to the DSC

I checked for fluid or any traces of fluid in the foot well (Behind the left foot rest and I did find some traces of brake fluid (Which makes sense as this car has had multiple engine swaps, different transmissions etc but nothing to crazy, i do still think the brake fluid messed with a few things possibly on the harness right behind that as that runs under the carpet and connects to the YAW rate sensor under the drivers seat (I also pulled this and swapped it with another to see if that was the problem.
I eventually want to go back in there to further inspect. I did find two chewed on wires that were completely separated which happened to be the Canbus Hi and Lo wires, im assuming the little bugs i found under the rug ._.
Fixed those wires in hopes that was the reason just for it not to be.
I depinned the entire DSC connector and cleaned all the pins as they were pretty dirty from either the super corrosive brake fluid or just it being in the elements. Aswell as cleaning the both chassis side and engine side of the wiring harness on the DME as the pins on that were pretty dirty.
I know im missing a few things that i did to further investigate this DSC issue with no prevail.
I was getting into probing the Canbus Hi & Lo lines with a mulimeter and oscilloscope to see the wave lengths of the canbus line aswell as to see if the ohms were out of wack, which they were. the wave length side of things im not 100% positive on being good or bad as ive never worked on something electrical in that sense but on the ohms side of things i know i probed from the EKP, DME and the DSC to see what ohms i was getting through the system, I know the EKP isnt contributing to this as i can communicate with it and im not having any fueling issues, If im not mistaken i should be reading 60 ohms if everything is operating correctly and 120 if something is out of wack and its currently reading 120, i can go into how the readings work and what means what to further explain how this shows something is messed up. I most likely will tomorrow morning
A list of codes just so people can compare and actually get an understanding of whats going on
CD98 DSC Torque Request - Receiver DME, Transmitter DSC
CD9C Speed incorrect - Receiver DME, Transmitter DSC
CDA5 Status Receiver DME, Transmitter DSC
CD918 Wiper operation - Receiver JBE, Transmitter SZL (This is because the SZL requires the DSC to have some sort of communication as it passes through the DSC i believe)
E599 Driving speed - Receiver FRM, Transmitter DSC
E597 No message from DSC control unit - Receiver FRM, Transmitter DSC
E594 Steering angel - Receiver FRM, Transmitter SZL (I honestly cant remember if this code was here before i unplugged the column to eliminate this as a possibility of interfering
Ill update the post tomorrow morning with the remaining codes as there around 20-30 all saying the same thing, no communication from DSC to the desired module. Just not trying to get a headache yet.

Ill keep updating this post as answers come in till we hopefully find a solution, Ill put more detail in the post tomorrow morning, im just tired at this point
Ill also be extremely active on this thread, if someone is running into similar issues im more than happy to exchange ideas and things ive gone through to hopefully help you out!
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Ill definitely look into this, currently reading the post now. So this could entirely knock the DSC offline, car hasnt driven or ran much since we put the last engine in as we've been trying to figure out this issue before driving and selling the car, ill be pulling the car in here soon so ill definitely be looking into this!

further looking into that post, i dont believe this is related to my issue as his DSC issue was a pressure valve, i still went through and did everything the guy in that thread did just to be on the safe side with no success. He was able to still communicate with the DSC module itself as it was telling him he had a pressure valve issue and when he replaced the unit itself the codes went away. In my case i have absolutely zero communication with the unit on multiple DSC's, module doesnt show up on inpa, protools, Autel or ista.
Bump - Currently diving into the car again, will throw pictures of codes on here, cars currently apart wiring wise so everything is exposed
... In my case i have absolutely zero communication with the unit on multiple DSC's, module doesnt show up on inpa, protools, Autel or ista.
Bump - Currently diving into the car again, will throw pictures of codes on here, cars currently apart wiring wise so everything is exposed
WHAT ISSUE are "we" trying to solve exactly? What Vehicle exactly?? If 335xi, that is a DSC/DXC, which is different variant from simple DSC on 335i. DSC NOT communicating with ISTA? DSC shown in RED on ISTA Control Unit Tree? Diagnostic software (ISTA/ INPA) are intended to be used BEFORE you disconnect every wiring connector in the vehicle.

IF DSC/DXC is NOT communicating with ISTA (Shown in RED on Control Unit Tree), then likely cause is either (1) lack of power supply (including ground) to DSC/DXC, or (2) Fault in PT-CAN lines between DSC/DXC and JBE. The JBE Module is the "Hub" to which BOTH the DSC/DXC and ISTA (through the OBD II Socket) connect. AFAIK, There is NO connection to DME that is pertinent to ISTA NOT Communicating with DSC/DXC Module.

Attached is a pdf describing HOW to use ISTA to obtain proper diagnostic information (which you can share via ScreenPrints as described on last page of pdf). If you want competent help from the Forum, please provide the following:
1) Last-7 Characters of the VIN of vehicle in question (necessary to provide correct wiring info);
2) ScreenPrints of:
a) Control Unit Tree or CU List;
b) Fault Memory List (click 'Display Fault Memory' button at bottom-right of CU Tree or CU List Screen);
c) If you would prefer to use INPA, ScreenPrints of Functional Jobs > F2 Identification & F4 Error Memory, ALL Modules;
3) Please identify any connectors or fuses that have been disconnected or removed.
4) Please identify any Warning Lights, or issues with components or systems, which are currently present.

With that information, we can BEGIN the Diagnosis.
George

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WHAT ISSUE are "we" trying to solve exactly? What Vehicle exactly?? If 335xi, that is a DSC/DXC, which is different variant from simple DSC on 335i. DSC NOT communicating with ISTA? DSC shown in RED on ISTA Control Unit Tree? Diagnostic software (ISTA/ INPA) are intended to be used BEFORE you disconnect every wiring connector in the vehicle.

IF DSC/DXC is NOT communicating with ISTA (Shown in RED on Control Unit Tree), then likely cause is either (1) lack of power supply (including ground) to DSC/DXC, or (2) Fault in PT-CAN lines between DSC/DXC and JBE. The JBE Module is the "Hub" to which BOTH the DSC/DXC and ISTA (through the OBD II Socket) connect. AFAIK, There is NO connection to DME that is pertinent to ISTA NOT Communicating with DSC/DXC Module.

Attached is a pdf describing HOW to use ISTA to obtain proper diagnostic information (which you can share via ScreenPrints as described on last page of pdf). If you want competent help from the Forum, please provide the following:
1) Last-7 Characters of the VIN of vehicle in question (necessary to provide correct wiring info);
2) ScreenPrints of:
a) Control Unit Tree or CU List;
b) Fault Memory List (click 'Display Fault Memory' button at bottom-right of CU Tree or CU List Screen);
c) If you would prefer to use INPA, ScreenPrints of Functional Jobs > F2 Identification & F4 Error Memory, ALL Modules;
3) Please identify any connectors or fuses that have been disconnected or removed.
4) Please identify any Warning Lights, or issues with components or systems, which are currently present.

With that information, we can BEGIN the Diagnosis.
George
The issue trying to be solved is stated above, along with codes, everything thats been touched, aswell as things ive tried to rectify the issue. No communication is no communication, not really sure how else that can be worded. And from the given codes it shows that every module on the same canbus line is having transmitter faults due to the DSC not having communication. Sorry not a fan of the smart, not very useful answers, I can understand it if i simply put, no communication, confused, need help, but thats not what i had put down at all, and if you went through the post youd see I was already on the right track via diag because of what ohm reading I was getting via the PT canbus lines. Another member PM'ed me and pointed me in the correct direction, ended up being multiple short locations under the dash which required me to pull the entire dash, ended up making a new harness for the wires that were being shorted since they run to the FRM, EKP, DME, EGS, JBE and DSC. Ill post pictures of the entire process so people might be able to eliminate it as a possibility if someone runs into something similar.
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WHAT ISSUE are "we" trying to solve exactly? What Vehicle exactly?? If 335xi, that is a DSC/DXC, which is different variant from simple DSC on 335i. DSC NOT communicating with ISTA? DSC shown in RED on ISTA Control Unit Tree? Diagnostic software (ISTA/ INPA) are intended to be used BEFORE you disconnect every wiring connector in the vehicle.

IF DSC/DXC is NOT communicating with ISTA (Shown in RED on Control Unit Tree), then likely cause is either (1) lack of power supply (including ground) to DSC/DXC, or (2) Fault in PT-CAN lines between DSC/DXC and JBE. The JBE Module is the "Hub" to which BOTH the DSC/DXC and ISTA (through the OBD II Socket) connect. AFAIK, There is NO connection to DME that is pertinent to ISTA NOT Communicating with DSC/DXC Module.

Attached is a pdf describing HOW to use ISTA to obtain proper diagnostic information (which you can share via ScreenPrints as described on last page of pdf). If you want competent help from the Forum, please provide the following:
1) Last-7 Characters of the VIN of vehicle in question (necessary to provide correct wiring info);
2) ScreenPrints of:
a) Control Unit Tree or CU List;
b) Fault Memory List (click 'Display Fault Memory' button at bottom-right of CU Tree or CU List Screen);
c) If you would prefer to use INPA, ScreenPrints of Functional Jobs > F2 Identification & F4 Error Memory, ALL Modules;
3) Please identify any connectors or fuses that have been disconnected or removed.
4) Please identify any Warning Lights, or issues with components or systems, which are currently present.

With that information, we can BEGIN the Diagnosis.
George
And just to add on, Of course i used a diagnostics software before unplugging connectors, otherwise i most likely wouldnt have unplugged modules that were on the K can and PT can lines.
Ill put pictures of the entire process and areas ive noticed high rub under the dash causing wires to get cut/short together aswell what actually fixed the issue and how i tested to eliminate me opening up the entire harness under the dash even though i did anyways. I do appreciate the willingness to help but I swear people comment before reading
And just to add on, Of course i used a diagnostics software before unplugging connectors, otherwise i most likely wouldnt have unplugged modules that were on the K can and PT can lines.
Ill put pictures of the entire process and areas ive noticed high rub under the dash causing wires to get cut/short together aswell what actually fixed the issue and how i tested to eliminate me opening up the entire harness under the dash even though i did anyways. I do appreciate the willingness to help but I swear people comment before reading
Hi, I'm having similar issues at the moment and cant communicate with the dsc, gearstick selector is not lighting or the cic. I think it's a wiring issue also. Could you post the pics, I'm having a nightmare tracking this problem down?

Cheers.
Hi, I'm having similar issues at the moment and cant communicate with the dsc, gearstick selector is not lighting or the cic. I think it's a wiring issue also. Could you post the pics, I'm having a nightmare tracking this problem down? Cheers.
What year/model is your car? I’ll be more than glad to help
Thanks that's really good of you, it's a 2004, E61, 525i, M54.

Here's my thread for background and more detail.

Thanks that's really good of you, it's a 2004, E61, 525i, M54.

Here's my thread for background and more detail.

Did the no communication to the EGS module happen at the same time as the no communication to the dsc happened? Just with your ista control tree that makes me believe its related to the PT can bus, possibly on the transmission harness side where PT Can 1 (Red/Red&Blue) twisted wires come through the chassis side harness into the DME box, go through the transmisison harness and then come back and split into the relating modules in the DME Box, Look for the black connector that sits in the top left of the DME box, youll see two sets of Red&Blue twisted wires going into it, which then pin into a yellow and black set of twisted wires, there will be two.
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Did the no communication to the EGS module happen at the same time as the no communication to the dsc happened? Just with your ista control tree that makes me believe its related to the PT can bus, possibly on the transmission harness side where PT Can 1 (Red/Red&Blue) twisted wires come through the chassis side harness into the DME box, go through the transmisison harness and then come back and split into the relating modules in the DME Box, Look for the black connector that sits in the top left of the DME box, youll see two sets of Red&Blue twisted wires going into it, which then pin into a yellow and black set of twisted wires, there will be two.
No, it happened the next evening which has made diagnosing trickier. The cas was put back in and it started with both keys without issue. I dont have the fault code for the dme/cas being out of sync either and can still communicate with both modules. It didn't give up until the next evening after being left overnight.

The car had sat for about a fortnight before this happened and it also had water in the battery tray a few months ago. I checked all modules in the boot and they are dry and have no signs of water ingress.

That's great info on the wiring from the dme, I'll remove it tonight and have a good look at the wires. Thanks for taking the time, not many others seem to. Also, another thumbs up for actually posting your fix. The amount of posts I've seen on the net that fizzle to nothing with no solution is frustrating.

I've bought another KBM bit wont arrive for a week or two but I'll check those wires tonight. My reasoning for getting a kbm is that it has 4 relays on it and I think one of them is stuffed and not supplying power to the egs, dtc/abs, air suspension modules. Fingers crossed!
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Did the no communication to the EGS module happen at the same time as the no communication to the dsc happened? Just with your ista control tree that makes me believe its related to the PT can bus, possibly on the transmission harness side where PT Can 1 (Red/Red&Blue) twisted wires come through the chassis side harness into the DME box, go through the transmisison harness and then come back and split into the relating modules in the DME Box, Look for the black connector that sits in the top left of the DME box, youll see two sets of Red&Blue twisted wires going into it, which then pin into a yellow and black set of twisted wires, there will be two.
Just to let you know, this is fixed. Was the terminal 30 relay.
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