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i dunno if this author is one of "us", but he points out the rather obvious points that we've all discussed in abundance.

from its on-paper specifications, the car is found wanting.
 

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I don't think any newspaper has a real car enthusiast writing for them. I totally disregard all newspaper articles about cars, and frequently laugh at how badly they are written. The guy writing the review could be doing movie reviews for USA Today in another month.
 

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i dunno. didja read the article?

the author had a pretty good background and made some decent points which were all hard-data based.

the benchmarks were the s2000, the m coupe and the boxster dynamically.

i disregard the built-in editorializing personally, but this is yet another article which asks the same question: with that sort of performance, where is the zip?

obviously the writer also DROVE the car, which is more than i can say for most of us, and he noted the high degree of understeer in the car.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/automobiles/08AUTO.html

here is the link to the article. it's written by tony swan. maybe you've heard of him. ( :D )

i'm still wondering if the car isn't down on power.
 

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I agree, it is actually one of the better written car reviews out there.

Regarding the understeer, i'd bet w/ a little tweaking of the alignment, and maybe tire pressures a good shop could drastically reduce that.
 

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That was a good writeup.

It was a generally positive review, other than the weight and understeer. Understeer is removable with different sway bar setting.

Sure, the weight is an impediment to beating out the Zcoupe & Boxster. But hey, look at the price.
 

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i dunno about the track edition....

is it worth the almost $8k more in money than the base version?

seems to me that i'd get the lowest entry level car (were i in the market for the Z car) and then pimp it up with brembos....which, by the way, would be slotted and/or cross drilled, the brembo package on the track edition is neither (from what i can see in pictures).

but even at 26k? i'm still leaning toward the WRX....the STi sounds like it will be mid 30s for not so much more HP. i'd get a regular WRX and tweak it rather than the Z car.

the WRX already starts out lighter so less money would be spent on reducing weight.....just my thoughts. i'm glad Nissan is "back". keeps everyone honest because now it's an all out HP war in the meat of the car market.
 

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PhilH said:
I don't think any newspaper has a real car enthusiast writing for them. I totally disregard all newspaper articles about cars, and frequently laugh at how badly they are written. The guy writing the review could be doing movie reviews for USA Today in another month.
The New York Times doesn't hire dolts. ;)
 

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i didn't know it was him until i went bacfk to look.

in all fairness, i didn't know he writes for the NYT, either.

but no wonder.

normally they get beat reporters to write their reviews.
 

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Uh, it's a few posts up.
I think he means "I'm too lazy to come up with fake info for the NYT registration. Could some one cut-and-paste the article here?" :p
 

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I think he means "I'm too lazy to come up with fake info for the NYT registration. Could some one cut-and-paste the article here?" :p
Why come up with fake info? It's free, and they have yet to send any spam email my way in the year or so that I've been registered there.:dunno:
 

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Why come up with fake info? It's free, and they have yet to send any spam email my way in the year or so that I've been registered there.:dunno:
Some people just don't like to register with sites like that. Weather the site sends out spam or not. I don't understand it, but I've seen enough popular sites that regularly post stories from the Times where there are usually "anonymous" logins posted in the comments. :dunno:
 

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Some people just don't like to register with sites like that.
You mean commie pinko, bleeding heart liberal, elitist Eastern media sites? :lmao: ;) As some might view it, at least. :tsk: In any case, I don't want to start any political flamewars in this forum over a Nissan review. :rolleyes: I have had to register to read the Chicago Tribune on-line along with the LA Times. It's a small price to pay to access some of the best newspaper reporting in the country.
 

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You mean commie pinko, bleeding heart liberal, elitist Eastern media sites? :lmao: ;) As some might view it, at least. :tsk: In any case, I don't want to start any political flamewars in this forum over a Nissan review. :rolleyes: I have had to register to read the Chicago Tribune on-line along with the LA Times. It's a small price to pay to access some of the best newspaper reporting in the country.
Maybe, but I was thinking more along the lines of sites run by large corporations. Some people have this thing about large organizations (like gov. or corps.) having their personal info if they don't have to. :dunno: I wasn't trying to start a political debate, just a give a possible explination.
 

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I wasn't being serious, hence all the emoticons. I hadn't thought of it from the perspective of feeding my email address to Corporate America. So far, they seem to be treating it benignly. At least I doubt the NY Times, LA Times, and Chicago Tribune have much interest in selling me viagra, pyramid schemes, or access to porno sites.
 

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All the time you guys are spending fighting over my privacy you could have posted the article :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I'll give in umm i mean register.....what the heck the local doctor doesn't even keep patient records off the counter when I went to pay my checkup cost, if i knew who that person was that I saw I would know they had hepatitis...

Where is americans privacy anymore..... stinking ad's poping up 30 times today on the computer, phone ringing at 9am waking me up on my day off that I wanted to sleep in till 12 or so stupid credit card lady... I get no peace :thumbdwn:
 
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