Commence rant...
(please don't take this personally)
Rule #1: Completely disregard any lease payment that is generated
by the website at BMWUSA.com. Even they
(BMWNA) know that the payment estimator is a fraudulent
misrepresentation of the real world. Payments are usually
off by $50/mo, and often much, much more... The justification
(and this is an exact quote) "we just want our customers
to get the idea of just how affordable a BMW can be" (end quote).
It is borderline criminal I.M.H.O.
Audi does the same thing. They send you through the
"build your own program" and then calculate your payment
on a
base model vehicle
with no options...
Without taxes too...
Yeah, it makes me

too... I have to try to explain and justify
this to the consumers that come into the showroom, bringing
with them their unrealistic expectations of just what a lease truly
costs... I could run through the math of a lease calculation
for you again here as I have done so many times for others,
and then let you see for yourself. puke: I invite anyone to try it.
The last I tried estimating a payment on a fictitious 540i it
gave me the payment of a 525i. Just imagine being in the position
of the dealer for a minute: "Gee Mr. Customer, the Internet lied"...
<< obviously, he's trying to rip me off bad..

>>
Standard reaction to this practice, unfortunately...
Not the dealer's fault on this issue.
Rule #2: Be informed.
<< that's his 'estimated' terms based on 02 terms.. >>
:lmao:
<< another dealer has told me that they can't yet
give me any lease terms since bmw financial
hasn't released any numbers.. >>
Rates and residuals (for MY2003) have been posted by
BMWFS for weeks; we are waiting to see if any "specials"
come out, which will not happen until there is product to be rolled...
<< i'm actually surprised that cutter's quote is the
highest amongst the quotes i've gotten.. >>
You shouldn't really be surprised at all. As of this exact moment,
as I posted the other day, I don't have a single 325Ci available
for probably the next 2 allocations... You can't give away that
which you don't have... What I also wrote in that thread is
that if you were willing to be patient, we could do a lot better.
My pencil can be as sharp as anybody's - especially for a board member.
I can give them away with the best of them. Just for
the hell of it, I often take "goofy" deals - because I can.
No manager "to check with"...
Conclusion: Find you best deal, let me know what it is
(I'll know if it's legit, or not), and I will beat it. Period.
I'll even trade to get you an extra allocation to fill your order
now...
End of message.
Rant over...
mgs333 said:
so far i only have several quotes on just the purchase price since i originally planned to purchase.. i'm actually surprised that cutter's quote is the highest amongst the quotes i've gotten..
with leasing, i couldn't give a rat's ass about the car price they're giving me, the only things i'm concerned about are the driveoff and the monthly payments..
as far as leasing quotes, i only have one so far, i've only started asking around yesterday, the one quote is:
with $830 driveoff, $560/month inc. tax
or $2000 driveoff, $523/month
or $5885 driveoff, $400/month..
all 12000miles/yr, 3 year lease. i have excellent credit (FICO 750) and live in orange county 7.75% tax rate..
that's his 'estimated' terms based on 02 terms..
but if i go to bmw's website.. i get these terms which i would assume the dealers can probably do better than.. (i'd guess this would be like the 'msrp' of lease??)
bmw site estimates: (36 month, 12k/year lease)
with $2500 down, $432/month
with $0 down, $508/month..
obviously, he's trying to rip me off bad.. 
another dealer has told me that they can't yet give
me any lease terms since
bmw financial hasn't released any numbers..
so are you saying i should wait until bmw releases leasing terms before i order? when are those numbers expected? i'd guess once the cars hit the showrooms? so when is that?