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Commentary on the Pledge of Allegiance
by Red Skelton

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As a schoolboy, one of Red Skelton's teachers explained the words and meaning of the Pledge of Allegiance to his class. Skelton later wrote down, and eventually recorded, his recollection of this lecture. It is followed by an observation of his own.



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I - - Me; an individual; a committee of one.
Pledge - - Dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity.

Allegiance - - My love and my devotion.

To the Flag - - Our standard; Old Glory ; a symbol of Freedom; wherever she waves there is respect, because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts, Freedom is everybody's job.

United - - That means that we have all come together.

States - - Individual communities that have united into forty-eight great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose. All divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that is love for country.

And to the Republic - - Republic--a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people; and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.

For which it stands

One Nation - - One Nation--meaning, so blessed by God.

Indivisible - - Incapable of being divided.

With Liberty - - Which is Freedom; the right of power to live one's own life, without threats, fear, or some sort of retaliation.

And Justice - - The principle, or qualities, of dealing fairly with others.

For All - - For All--which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.


And now, boys and girls, let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance:
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country, and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance: Under God. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer, and that would be eliminated from schools, too?
Red Skelton




thank you red skelton, a true american
 

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So let's just get rid of the two words! That way we can all focus on what is important. Honoring our country and our flag.

Edit: Per your last post on the now ill fated thread. Perhaps you should do a little more reading on homosexuality. It may change some of your preconvieved notions about us. We really are the same as you with one exception.
 

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our country was founded on the morales, values, principles, and trust of God, and we declared liberation and all prayed for God to protect us. God is part of our country, a country founded on the thought that we wanted to be a good country in God's eyes. taking it out is idiotic, and the judge should be dis-barred and removed permanently. these liberals should ashamed. I would even favor deporting them. I suppose you want to get rid of chaplains, in the world too, since its optional to go to them as well, god forbid someone taking comfort in god in front of you.
 
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So let's just get rid of the two words! That way we can all focus on what is important. Honoring our country and our flag.
By the way, I just finished writing up a post agreeing with you when I got a posting error as the thread had been deleted.

Those two words were not in the original pledge. They were added by Congress during the Cold War to make a distinction between Americans and "godless Communists," which is, in itself, rather humorous.

Restore it to it's original form and I have no problem with it either.
 

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why restore it? what about the majority of americans who want it left there? isnt this a democracy, quit trying to turn us into a socialistic country. Tell your kids to toughen up, and quit being such cry babies, look at the example you set for your children when thier parents just run out and sue cause they get offended, which is bs, the athiest idiot just wants his 15 minutes of fame. What kind of weenie gets literally offended by the words under god, when they dont even have to say it. And is it not against liberal thought to force any belief down your kids throat anyways.. remeber touchy feely, let the kid express himself, what if he wants to follow God, just because the athiest father is going to hell for now believeing?
 

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our country was founded on the morales, values, principles, and trust of God, and we declared liberation and all prayed for God to protect us. God is part of our country, a country founded on the thought that we wanted to be a good country in God's eyes. taking it out is idiotic, and the judge should be dis-barred and removed permanently. these liberals should ashamed. I would even favor deporting them. I suppose you want to get rid of chaplains, in the world too, since its optional to go to them as well, god forbid someone taking comfort in god in front of you.
Ding, Ding, Ding. We have a winner. 6 times in one post.

Actually our country was founded on the need to be able to believe what we wanted without fear of repression.
 
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why restore it? what about the majority of americans who want it left there? isnt this a democracy, quit trying to turn us into a socialistic country. Tell your kids to toughen up, and quit being such cry babies, look at the example you set for your children when thier parents just run out and sue cause they get offended, which is bs, the athiest idiot just wants his 15 minutes of fame. What kind of weenie gets literally offended by the words under god, when they dont even have to say it. And is it not against liberal thought to force any belief down your kids throat anyways.. remeber touchy feely, let the kid express himself, what if he wants to follow God, just because the athiest father is going to hell for now believeing?
surely you know that the U.S. is NOT a Democracy.
 
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Ding, Ding, Ding. We have a winner. 6 times in one post.

Actually our country was founded on the need to be able to believe what we wanted without fear of repression.
Well, it's just another example of the ignorance demonstrated by religious zealots.

And further proof of the intolerance that religion fosters.
 

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Well, it's just another example of the ignorance demonstrated by religious zealots.

And further proof of the intolerance that religion fosters.
you know i agree, people that far out of touch with reality, get offended and will say just about anything. I dont know why he deleted his post claiming unconstructive answers, when he comes here and makes idiot comments, there is NO EXCUSE for insulting others, just debate
 
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Well, it's just another example of the ignorance demonstrated by religious zealots.
Just as you wouldn't judge black people by the behavior of one or two (or even hundreds), my hope, TD, would be that you would not judge Christians by the actions/words of the minority.

Do you have any friends who are Christians?
 

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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

does someone want to inform our friend? I'm too tired..
no, see America is a democracy, the ONLY thread of un democratic policy in america, is the laws passed by the liberals such as yourself. Anything that takes away from america's democratic state, is done so by the extreme left socialists.


and please stop posting, if all your going to do is post snide remarks
 
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America is a democracy, you are being sarcastic im hoping
Two different issues-

First, freedom of (and FROM) religion is a central component of democracy. This is NOT (repeat NOT) a Christian country. Nor should it be. Nor would that be a good thing. If you don't understand why, read up on your history. This freedom is perhaps the single most important component of our Constitution.

Second, atyclb is right, in a way, that the US in not a democracy. The two parties determine the candidates in a far from democratic fashion (the primaries are a farce). By the time a general election rolls around, the choice between the two major party candidates represents very little choice at all. And a third party candidate has the rules stacked against him/her to such a degree that he/she has no real chance whatsoever.

If you want to call this a democracy, it's using a very liberal definition.
 

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first off thanks for deleting that comment aty very mature of you
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Two different issues-

First, freedom of (and FROM) religion is a central component of democracy. This is NOT (repeat NOT) a Christian country. Nor should it be. Nor would that be a good thing. If you don't understand why, read up on your history. This freedom is perhaps the single most important component of our Constitution.

Second, atyclb is right, in a way, that the US in not a democracy. The two parties determine the candidates in a far from democratic fashion (the primaries are a farce). By the time a general election rolls around, the choice between the two major party candidates represents very little choice at all. And a third party candidate has the rules stacked against him/her to such a degree that he/she has no real chance whatsoever.

If you want to call this a democracy, it's using a very liberal definition.
your pretty accurate with the first statement TD. and i will be the first to admit, i dont like all candidates that are chosen, but your only partially right on the second. The reason being, i could run for president if i wanted. I would never get in. But america has a right to vote for anyone. I know what you maen, though and i sympathize with it, but i maintain we are a democracy and the most democratic of all countries, and the fairest. I would be interested to an alternative form of electing that you may or maty not have in mind. Anything more fair, would be good, btu for the country we have i like our current system


a country for and by the people... look at clinton, he went from poor to president, the oppurtunity is there for any born in america america age 35 or older.
 

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dredmo said:
our country was founded on the morales, values, principles, and trust of God, and we declared liberation and all prayed for God to protect us. God is part of our country, a country founded on the thought that we wanted to be a good country in God's eyes. taking it out is idiotic, and the judge should be dis-barred and removed permanently. these liberals should ashamed. I would even favor deporting them. I suppose you want to get rid of chaplains, in the world too, since its optional to go to them as well, god forbid someone taking comfort in god in front of you.

Ding, ding, ding too. And then you said majority rules. So, what is so different between your vision of the country and that of the Taliban?
 

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Two different issues-

First, freedom of (and FROM) religion is a central component of democracy. This is NOT (repeat NOT) a Christian country. Nor should it be. Nor would that be a good thing. If you don't understand why, read up on your history. This freedom is perhaps the single most important component of our Constitution.

Second, atyclb is right, in a way, that the US in not a democracy. The two parties determine the candidates in a far from democratic fashion (the primaries are a farce). By the time a general election rolls around, the choice between the two major party candidates represents very little choice at all. And a third party candidate has the rules stacked against him/her to such a degree that he/she has no real chance whatsoever.

If you want to call this a democracy, it's using a very liberal definition.
Very well put!
 

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TD said:


This is NOT (repeat NOT) a Christian country. Nor should it be. Nor would that be a good thing. If you don't understand why, read up on your history. This freedom is perhaps the single most important component of our Constitution.

The country had a predominent Christian foundation, you can find it everywhere, on our money, in our Pledge...er, wait, that will change in a week. ;) Why change it? It wasn't hurting anyone. The court did not rule specifically that the little girl shouldn't be required to say the pledge (Like they SHOULD have ruled) but instead took it a step farther and ruled the Pledge ITSELF unconstitutional...now this crosses party lines...the Senate, even Daschel, is calling the ruling "Idiotic"...how are YOU going to feel when your standing alone on this issue?
 

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Ding, ding, ding too. And then you said majority rules. So, what is so different between your vision of the country and that of the Taliban?
your saying the taliban was a democracy where majority ruled?
 
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