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I got pulled over last night for doing 80 in a 45 at 1 in the morning. This is on a major two way street by the way, not like some random one lane side road but anyway I got pulled over regardless. The cop said he estimated my speed at 65-70 and eventually let me off with a warning. I was wondering if anybody here is using radar detectors and if so how well do they work? Do they only pick up the signals from the radar guns because if thats all they do then in my situation that just happened it wouldnt help me. I looked some up on ebay and basically it says they just tell you ahead of time such as the police radar guns, road blocks, emergency vehicles, etc.
 

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Do a search. Lots of info here. I suggest the V1 if you want a detector. Nothing will provide 100% protection - the objective is to reduce the odds of getting caught. Radar detectors won't help for pacing or well aimed laser or instant on that wasn't used on motorists in front of you.
 

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Yea basically what im looking for is a police tracker, just a monitor that shows if theres any cops parked looking for speeders (speed trap) because thats how I was caught.
 

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Don't waste your money.

The only time you're going to detect a cop's radar before he get's
your speed is if the cop is a lazy bastard that sits with his radar on.
99% of cops don't do that - they push the button and boom you're caught.

I know, I do radar every weekend as a reserve officer.
 

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So is there anything that somehow tells you where police cars are by picking up some frequency from them such as a cb radio, etc? I would much rather have a police finder than a radar finder but at this point I dont want to watse my money on something that doesnt work all the time.
 

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Yes. All police radio traffic (at least where I live - check your local state and or city ordinances) is public domain and you can buy scanners - portable or set-top - to monitor this traffic. If they are using the 800MHz system like I do, the scanners will run you around 500 to 800 dollars and then you need to have it programed, which can be difficult to find someone to do it.
If they are on an older system (400-600MHz) then any cheapo scanner will work... you'll need to find their frequencies though. If you call up your local PD or Sheriff's office they will probably tell you what frequencies they are on.
 

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wow 500-800 dollars I guess ill just do it the easiest way and try and not speed. I have heard from a state trooper that you can do 14 mph over the speed limit without getting pulled over but im sure it depends on the cop.
 

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LOL, a reserve FIVE-0 encouraging you ring the local PD and social engineer the frequencies out of them and telling us how to avoid getting caught. Awesome!!

In the UK, you generally get a 10% lee-way on the limits before they stop you and on the motorway they rarely come after anyone doing less than 100mph. this of course is a generalisation and if they have not pulled over enough people in their shift, they will happily stop you for doing 32-33 in a 30 zone which is harsh.

Am sure all these expensive gadgets are great but you must have SERIOUS speed problem to warrent spending $500-$800 just to avoid getting stopped. Am not gonna say "just stick to the limit" as that is condesending and, as i find, very hard to do....just maybe try taking measured risks. Is it really worth a massive fine or even worse.....LOSING YOUR LICENCE for the sake of a few miles an hour???

It is a conundrum i know. Personally i think i am gonna move to germany and find one of the few remaining Autobans that is unrestricted. i also hear there is a road on the Isle of Mann that is the same. Acording to the best show on TV that is.....Top gear!!
 

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cc-vortex said:
Don't waste your money.

The only time you're going to detect a cop's radar before he get's
your speed is if the cop is a lazy bastard that sits with his radar on.
99% of cops don't do that - they push the button and boom you're caught.

I know, I do radar every weekend as a reserve officer.
I thought the point was to warn a person that someone else is getting tagged a few miles ahead.

I thought the radar gun did not have to be pointed at the car to be detected. :dunno:
 

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There is no "radar gun" per se. There is radar (dashboard/rear deck mounted) and then there's the hand-held laser.

The mounted radar has buttons that control forward/backward looking, a hold button and a freeze button. Cops will park the squad - usually facing into traffic - and sit there with one finger above the hold button and another finger above the freeze button . Once a vehicle gets within about 300 meters they hit the hold button to activate the radar. The vehicles speed is usually returned within 2 seconds or less, and if you're speeding they simply hit the freeze button which captures your speed on a second digital readout next to the live speed readout.
Smart cops will park in the middle of a hill and face the crest so any cars behind the target vehicle that has a detector wont be warned ahead of time (radar doesn't bend).

The hand-held laser has a much more precise aiming mechanism. It's similar to looking through a rifle scope - cross hairs and such. The reason we use the hand-held ones is because in heavier traffic is too hard to determine who's vehicle was speeding using the dash/rear deck mounted one.

* Radar/laser cannot get your speed if you drive past them at a right angle - e.g., they're going North and you're going East or West.

* Radar/laser cannot read a vehicles speed when the squad is following directly behind the vehicle. They have to use either the radar's readout as a speedometer or the speedometer itself (yes, squad car speedometers are calibrated and accurate).

* Covering your car with a reflective wax or paint does not inhibit radar/laser.

If you do get caught speeding and ticketed, remember, it's your right to contest it in court. A lot of tickets are reduced or even dismissed depending on the circumstances. If it's an especially heinous ticket - say, doing 90+ in a 55 - I would fight it no matter what, because that's going to be a huge fine, and an insurance rate killer.
 

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I have got the best answer for you as I know how to use my escort 8500 x50 very well.

It all begins by understanding how police catches you, and how they use their tools.

Then, you have to understand the tools that you have against those cop tools.

Now, if you go over $3000, you can have some very nice things, but will talk about that later.

For most drivers, $200 ~ $400 radar detector is what they're looking at.

Basically, you want the best, and the best are widely known to be Valentine V1 or Escort X50, or Beltronic's equivilent of X50, but with difference casing and brand, but same.

Anyways, basically, you have V1 or X50.

Now, cops have several different types of tools to screw you over...
stationary radar guns, moving radar guns, laser guns...
laser is the WORST, but there are very few out there with laser guns.... and they have their limitations...

First, stationary radar guns and cops hiding with guns pointed at the road where people like to speed, or on the highway. If they have their radar on the whole time, V1, or X50 will tell you about 5 sec before you see him, and when you hear that alert, you hit the brakes, and you're good to cruise on by the cop. My X50 saved me this way many times especially on the highway. I usually cruise between 90+ and look real hard at where there might be a cop waiting with a laser or pop radar, and slow down between there. When you do a lot of highway driving with a radar detector, you get a sense of where cops are hiding, because you are always alerted of the ones that are hiding and have their radars on.

They also have something called the pop radar or instant-on radar guns which only turn on when the cop sees you and thinks you are speeding, and presses a button. V1 and X50 are both pop radar ready, which means that if the cop uses pop instant on gun to measure the speed of few cars ahead of you, then detector will display "POP" in my X50, and I know there's a cop with a pop, and I slow down. You are somewhat vulnerable in this area.

Another way they catch you is through moving radar, that's pacing. Basically police with a moving radar gun which is hooked up with the car's speedometer to calculate another moving car's speed in front of it. What cops do is they speed about 90mph 100mph or so down road to catch people who are speeding from behind. V1 has a radar sensor on the backside especially designed to protect better against this. X50 does it by picked it up with the front sensor whatever the radar bounced off from in the front. In this case, V1 is better, but if you have metallic tint, it blocks it all, so V1's rear radar sensor becomes useless. Basically, you have to constantly look at your rear view mirror to see if any suspicious vehicle is following you, either a cop, or an undercover.

Lastly, laser guns... I haven't yet encountered one yet living in new york state, and i travel between tristate and MA also. What they do this, they shoot laser, and they know your speed instantly, and when they shoot the laser, it is over. It is one shot, one kill, and you got a ticket. What X50 does for me is display "LASER", and alert some crazy alarm. But when that happens, it means the cop already lasered me, and he knows how fast I went. There is no way to detect laser guns. When they shoot you, you just know they shot you. Now, that doesn't mean they've got the ultimate tool. For about $3000, you can hook up laser distractors in the front and rear bumpers that also hooks up to the radar detector. What it does is jams laser. When cops shoots laser, it has to bounce off the car, and be measured, but what the distractors do is shoot out random laser, so the laser gun can't measure the speed. Now, cop can still pull you over for not being able to laser you, which is why it is connected to a radar detector. So, when a cop lasers you, the detector will alarm you, but at that point, they cannot measure your speed because of the distractors, but after you've found about the laser cop, you slow down, and you disable the distractors by pressing a button on the radar detector, and then the cop can measure the speed, but now you've slowed down already, so you're good to go.

That was long, but hopefully, it will help people understand, and avoid tickets.

Also, on a rainy day, you don't have to worry about lasers because they don't work in rain. Radar guns do though, but are less accurate, and you can easily fight them in court.

My x50 experience is good,
I'm not suggesting that people should speed, but let's be honest here, on the highway when there's no one in front of you, or when another guy with a detector zips past you, you speed... so if you're going to speed, why not reduce the chance of getting caught...

I think you should get X50, and read the manual completely, understand it, and read up of what different radar bands and there are and after you understand you will realize what a great thing detectors are. If you're not good with these kind of technical stuff, forget about it because you'll still get tickets with them if you don't know how to use it wisely.
 

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Cops will park the squad - usually facing into traffic - and sit there with one finger above the hold button and another finger above the freeze button .
Are the other eight fingers wrapped ever so gently around a certain round pastry?
 

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I was wondering when the cliche would surface...

I'll reiterate: I don't care of you spend the Gross National Product of England on a detector; you are only going to get by the lazy cops.
 

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I hear, and i am sure CC-Vortex will clarify, that if you are caught speeding you should always ask to see the calibration certificate for the device used to get you.

If they are not calibrated within a certain amount of time before they got you, then you could argue that the gun is not correct

Not giving you ways of getting out of it, as if you are speeding then you are fair game for a ticket, but if there is even the slightest possibility that the ticket is wrong then you wanna get off!!!

True?
 

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I hear, and i am sure CC-Vortex will clarify, that if you are caught speeding you should always ask to see the calibration certificate for the device used to get you.

If they are not calibrated within a certain amount of time before they got you, then you could argue that the gun is not correct

Not giving you ways of getting out of it, as if you are speeding then you are fair game for a ticket, but if there is even the slightest possibility that the ticket is wrong then you wanna get off!!!

True?
My neighbor is an attorney and deals with some traffic cases. The cop must show up to court or the ticket is dismissed. Turns out the cops show up to court less than 50% of the time.
 

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Damn it, I got a ticket today for going 35 in a 25 zone...what bs..at least give me a 'real' speeding ticket...
 

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Asking a police officer for calibration certificate on the road is not advisable. It will probably end any chance you had to talk your way out of the ticket. It may get you another one if you're not careful. The calibration comes into play at traffic court if you fight the ticket. Avoiding confrontational statements like "I was only doing 40 in a 30, why don't you write real summonses" will go a long way towards getting you off with a warning, or maybe a "failure to signal" instead of the speeding. Asking why you were stopped and then offering a reasonable explanation is the way to go. Tell other people in the car to keep quiet unless they want to pay your fine. Have your documents ready, keep your hands visible, no sudden movements like reaching under the seat, and not leaving your vehicle, will keep the approaching officer calm and improve your chances of a happy outcome. Throwing in that your father, brother, sister, uncle, baby's father etc. is a cop never hurts either. Last but not least, slow down! It's the family and friends that are left behind that suffer. You will be in a nice silk lined box feeling no pain with a little pillow for eternity. Or worse, in a wheelchair with those same friends and family changing your diapers. Ok enough of that, but I never will get used to notifying parents that their children were killed in an accident. Think about that scenario at your front door?
P.S. radar detectors are a waste of money, spend the money on a loved one while your still alive.
 

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Are the other eight fingers wrapped ever so gently around a certain round pastry?
:rofl::rofl: so wrong... but :bustingup
 

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Asking a police officer for calibration certificate on the road is not advisable. It will probably end any chance you had to talk your way out of the ticket. It may get you another one if you're not careful. The calibration comes into play at traffic court if you fight the ticket. Avoiding confrontational statements like "I was only doing 40 in a 30, why don't you write real summonses" will go a long way towards getting you off with a warning, or maybe a "failure to signal" instead of the speeding. Asking why you were stopped and then offering a reasonable explanation is the way to go. Tell other people in the car to keep quiet unless they want to pay your fine. Have your documents ready, keep your hands visible, no sudden movements like reaching under the seat, and not leaving your vehicle, will keep the approaching officer calm and improve your chances of a happy outcome. Throwing in that your father, brother, sister, uncle, baby's father etc. is a cop never hurts either. Last but not least, slow down! It's the family and friends that are left behind that suffer. You will be in a nice silk lined box feeling no pain with a little pillow for eternity. Or worse, in a wheelchair with those same friends and family changing your diapers. Ok enough of that, but I never will get used to notifying parents that their children were killed in an accident. Think about that scenario at your front door?
P.S. radar detectors are a waste of money, spend the money on a loved one while your still alive.
If a cop pulls you over and sees a radar detector, you will get a ticket anyway. It is rare for anyone to talk their way outof a ticket with a radar detector.
 

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Asking a police officer for calibration certificate on the road is not advisable. It will probably end any chance you had to talk your way out of the ticket. It may get you another one if you're not careful. The calibration comes into play at traffic court if you fight the ticket. Avoiding confrontational statements like "I was only doing 40 in a 30, why don't you write real summonses" will go a long way towards getting you off with a warning, or maybe a "failure to signal" instead of the speeding. Asking why you were stopped and then offering a reasonable explanation is the way to go. Tell other people in the car to keep quiet unless they want to pay your fine. Have your documents ready, keep your hands visible, no sudden movements like reaching under the seat, and not leaving your vehicle, will keep the approaching officer calm and improve your chances of a happy outcome. Throwing in that your father, brother, sister, uncle, baby's father etc. is a cop never hurts either. Last but not least, slow down! It's the family and friends that are left behind that suffer. You will be in a nice silk lined box feeling no pain with a little pillow for eternity. Or worse, in a wheelchair with those same friends and family changing your diapers. Ok enough of that, but I never will get used to notifying parents that their children were killed in an accident. Think about that scenario at your front door?
P.S. radar detectors are a waste of money, spend the money on a loved one while your still alive.
^ well said; and all true.
 
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