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I have the schwaben but from my research they are identical made by the same company. The main difference that’s offered now after I bought mine. The schwaben only gives you mabe 2 years of updates and the Foxwell you get lifetime updates. I would go Foxwell.


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Thanks but I am not asking for the difference between schwaben and foxwell - I am asking about foxwell vs bimmergeeks protools. Obviously protools allows coding, but that aside want to know the differences on the diagnostic end.
 

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Ok I don’t have Bimmer geeks but I do have every diagnostics programs that exist. With the Foxwell you can code all kinds of stuff. The only thing that it won’t do is reflash a control unit, or program a new one. it’s got component activation. It’s easy to use and the only time I pull out the laptop is for something crazy. It’s way slower than the handheld scanner. I actually just keep that one in the glove box. At the shop I use a autologic mostly. Mabe once a month I have to use the laptop. Go with the Foxwell would be my suggestion. It’s a very good tool especially for the money. If it had existed when I bought the autologic I wouldn’t have bought it. This little tool can do things that the autologic can’t and vice versa. But the extra stuff that the autologic does is rarely used mabe twice a year. In all total I have 38 programs and scanners for BMWs. The only thing you would need the Bimmer geeks stuff for is re-flashing a control unit.


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Here’s a short list of it’s capabilities from a February of 2016 post.
And it’s just got more capabilities as time has passed. Ecs tuning sells it for $188 but I got notified about a sale they were having and I got it for $149. Main reason is because its compact and durable. Using a laptop is a pita compared with something like a dedicated scan tool. It makes the cs2000 seems like a children’s toy now bc it does everything that it does and hooks up to 87 cars with the 20 pin. The autologic won’t do e30 I don’t think. That’s why I had my Baum at Jon’s. Working on a e30 I fixed one Jon had been messing with for a week and I told him how I fixed it and I found the problem by checking the live data. He wanted to know how I got live data on a e30 bc autologic won’t.
Anyway for $149 it’s definitely gonna be in my glove box at all times.

Foxwell NT510 scanner test report OK experience:
- The included software is not native to Mac computers.
- win10 is compatible.
- Can can provide sensor data from the oil level system on an F82 M4, The M4 apparently can only read the oil level with the iDrive, which we plan on permanently removing for non-street use.
- Allow me to alignment and calibrate fuel injectors on a 2009 535i N54 engine
- Can read codes from a transmission control unit (TCU) on a 2003 e46 325xi.
- Can register a battery to an e90 328i.
- I have a 2007 328i Coupe, NT510 can determine which wheel speed sensor is bad.
- NT510 can read and reset airbag service light. I have an intermittent airbag service light on a 2004 X3 that BMW service cannot track down as it clears from memory before I can get it in for service.
- Have the ability on the 09 BMW E82 135 to scan for ghost codes, and any other stored codes. For example, example it will read codes that you did not get a scanner connected fast enough while the check engine light was on and it goes off before you know what the code actually was.
-Can code new injectors in the BMW 2010 335i.
-Can Re-program the Speed Governor on 2011 e90 328i LCI model, vin WBAPH7C52BE852716...please note: Performance software is required to manipulate top speed limiters.
-Can perform a throttle actuator adaptation on an e92 M3 after replacment
- Is capable of functioning as a universal OBDII reader for all makes in addition to it's BMW/Mini/RR Specific functions.
- Can work with a 2012 mini cooper countryman s all 4.
- Have E36 OBD1, for OBD1 cars will require adapter ES2992111 to perform function, Available features will be dependent upon the cars abilities. Not all features are compatible with all models.
-Communicates via the obdII plug in the cabin on the E39 M5 2000, no extra adapters needed.
- Whether NT510 can read TPMS codes or not (Specifically to tell which TPMS receiver is malfunctioning), it depends on the vehicle,If your car has the ability to provide this information the tool will be able to pull this data.
- can read and reset O2 sensor readiness codes but will not code them off permanently.
- Updates can be skipped; sequential installation of updates is not required.
- Can reset "Right/Left Cornering light" warnings on 2011 335d caused by after-market halo installation. To properly clear the error code you need halos with proper resistance, this will cause the car's computer to automatically reset the warnings.
- I own a 2011 335i N55. all functions are supported across the E93 series.
- Able to reset the (sas) steering angle sensor
- Ok to reset the Airbag/seatbelt light on Mini Cooper S R56.
- Ok to modulate the e-parking brake on a 2012 BMW F10 to enable a rear brake job with rotor replacement.
- Module recoding and programing is possible with this tool.
- Availability of features of this nature will vary heavily model to model and year to year.
- Can register new tire pressure monitoring sensors.
- Can do VANOS test, Idle Sync etc for e46 m3.
-Can activate the abs unit in order to bleed it on a 2008-011 m3.
- Can do battery registrations and coding on BMW and mini cooper.
- Be able to code a new battery on 08-2011 M3's.
- To make NT510 is compatible with the early E36 (The car has ads modules for Abs and srs), need the 20 pin adapter ES2992111.
- Can reset the adaptations needed after an e46 m3 smg clutch change.
- Allow for line code changes when programming car options, such as automatic door locking.
- Enable auto rear window defogger for GM5 module on BMW E46. E46 general module coding is possible.
- Can perform the dynamic drive reset for a 2002 745.
- Reset the transfer case oil wear indicator on BMW e83.
- Be able to display the sensor's output if this function is registered by the car's dme.
- Can pull codes from the SRS system and reset the light once all issues are corrected-
- Able to reset transfer case adaptations after transfer case fluid change in an F32.
- Allow coding of the LCM and GM on BMW vehicles.
- Have the ability to program new ABS components to current vehicle.
- Can code for Xenon headlight conversions and also for activating *Sirius Retrofit Enable Code (FSC)* for Mini Cooper R56's, but only some models not all.
- Can read BMW Specific (Shadow/Hidden Codes)
- Can code injectors and new battery on 2008 BMW 135i.

NT510 scanner test report Fail experience::
- NT510 scanner cannot remove the top rpm limiter on a bmw z4m roadster 2007, performance tuning software is required to remove top speed limiters.
- Can't retract the calipers on a 2005 BMW x5 4.4i e53. The E53 does not have electronically controlled calipers. On the E53 you'll manually compress the pistons after removing the caliper.
Copy and paste I just found this a while back. Hope it helps answer your questions.

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No it only codes maintenance items. I forgot to mention that. Sorry. The absolute easiest way to code one is using Carl for BMWs on the iPhone. In less than 60 seconds I can code something with it. The only drawback with the software is the learning curve. Carly does diagnostics but they suck for that. But it can reset any control unit. The Foxwell/Schwaben is basically INPA in a hand held scanner. You have to use ncs expert with the software and it has a decent learning curve. What are you mainly going to be using this to do? Mabe I can recommend what tool you need for your needs.


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Put it this way, I probably won’t ever need the foxwell scanner again. I have all the diagnostic capability with Protool and I can code ecu modules if I need too. If you have a compatible e series car, don’t waste money on the foxwell scanner. I even have the BimmerGeeks Bluetooth adapter and it is super fast bus access compared to cables.


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Oh forgot to mention, you do everything NCSExpert can do with new application update.


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No it only codes maintenance items. I forgot to mention that. Sorry. The absolute easiest way to code one is using Carl for BMWs on the iPhone. In less than 60 seconds I can code something with it. The only drawback with the software is the learning curve. Carly does diagnostics but they suck for that. But it can reset any control unit. The Foxwell/Schwaben is basically INPA in a hand held scanner. You have to use ncs expert with the software and it has a decent learning curve. What are you mainly going to be using this to do? Mabe I can recommend what tool you need for your needs.


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Protool can do anything NCSExpert can do on supported E series cars. It can do do diagnostics and ecu coding. A single tool for all your needs. iCarly BMW is very hit or miss on functions it supports across series platforms.

F series car support is in the works and they are saying support coming soon but no hard timeframe.


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Put it this way, I probably won’t ever need the foxwell scanner again. I have all the diagnostic capability with Protool and I can code ecu modules if I need too. If you have a compatible e series car, don’t waste money on the foxwell scanner. I even have the BimmerGeeks Bluetooth adapter and it is super fast bus access compared to cables.


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Thanks. This is what I wanted to know.
 
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