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Yep, that civic is looking really good!nate328Ci said:
Actually, I do tend to agree with you, performance is an important consideration when buying. And in most cases I won't rule out a car on looks alone. That said, however, it is only a PART of the decision. For example, I liked the way the IS 300 performed, but I didn't buy one because there are options (the 325) out there for a similar price that perform just as well (or even a bit better IMHO) and that look a lot better!Looks ARE important! Look at the Aztek. It was a great, funtional idea (I like the tent)! But, it looks liked hell so it doesn't sell. And with more auto makers looking to knock BMW off its throne, looks become very important. Consider the 3 series. If the new 3 series is butt-ugly, and there are other options that are similar in performance, BMW WILL LOSE SALES!
We???TD said:
Speak for yourself. No matter how fugly current/future BMW designs are, the WRX would still beat them hands down, and I'd still not buy one. Why would I? Just to make a "statement"? Sorry, not a teenager anymore... If I were to make a statement, I'd buy a 6er and be done with it. Besides, to me it's all about engineering, heritage. German engineering IS superior.
Anyway, it's not like I'll have that problem. I see nothing wrong with current/future models. Like I said above, I really don't see anything wrong with the CS1. Especially considering its estimated price tag... Nate's right. Honda vs BMW @ same price range? BMW, hands down.
PS: If you start getting smoked by every other 1er on the road, keep these "functional" mods in mind... I'm sure you'll have NO problems getting them. Every 16-year old out there can hook you up.
Never underestimate the American public's appetite for generic cars. That public has kept the Big 3 pumping out crap for decades and they are still the largest automakers on the planet.BS' Bimmer said:
IMO, The uglification (or more precisely, the blandification) of the 3-series will be met well by the general public who aren't really that up on small details that distinguish vehicles. If it says BMW on the hood, then by gosh, they will buy them.
I bet that BMW will continue to gain market share as it's products go very mainstream with generic looking, sloppy steering&suspensions & auto tranny's galore. That may not work well for the enthusiast, driving them to M-cars, Porsche's or someone else.
Oh well, I'm sticking with my 2000 323i for quite awhile, and have scrapped the idea of replacing it in the next year or 2. Although I really should replace it as I have passed 61000 miles already---61k reliable, fun filled miles!
.There is nothing compelling on the market place currently. The G35 coupe looks interesting, but I am enclined to save up my northern peso's and waiting for a V8 powered M3 or S4 or perhaps even bypass the entire mainstream lineup and get a couple year old 996 as the next car.
- JP
To me that has nothing to do with the "American public's appetite for generic cars". That has to do with price tag. People will always buy GM, Ford, and Chrysler's "crap" as long as it is cheap... But maybe that's exactly what you meant...JPinTO said:
A bit early to speak, don't you think? Rumor has it the next 3 will be a back to basics driver's car. In theory, the same applies to the upcoming Z5...
You bet??? It's called business... Personally, I've never thought of BMWs as exclusive cars anyway (OK, I consider the Z8 an "exotic"). To me they've always been mainstream. Want a bit (and that's a little tiny bit) of exclusivity? You're right - go M. That's what Motorsport divisions are usually all about (i.e. M, AMG, SVT, etc)...
I agree. The upcoming S4 looks very promising...Oh well, I'm sticking with my 2000 323i for quite awhile, and have scrapped the idea of replacing it in the next year or 2. Although I really should replace it as I have passed 61000 miles already---61k reliable, fun filled miles!
There is nothing compelling on the market place currently. The G35 coupe looks interesting, but I am enclined to save up my northern peso's and waiting for a V8 powered M3 or S4 or perhaps even bypass the entire mainstream lineup and get a couple year old 996 as the next car.
- JP
Go read the comparison test in CDALEX325i said:
The Focus outhandled them BADLY. But, I would suspect that if the Golf had major suspension work, it could be real screamer :bigpimp:I saw that. I don't think the Golf needs a major suspension work though... If I remember right, they said that better tires alone would've helped a lot...nate328Ci said:
Go read the comparison test in CD
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