+1Did BMW actually publish a TSB recommending more frequent oil changes than what the CBS advises???
This touches a nerve for me because I'm sure the previous owner disregarded the dealerships written recommendation and let the oil go over 17000 miles (and it wasn't highway miles).
Only an Internet forum can turn a positive thing negative.
I propose doing something POSITIVE & CONSTRUCTIVE with this thread:Its called reality. Only the fittest and wisest survive.
Sounds like a Loss Leader strategy. They are making little to no profit on the oil service and will likely find other service/maintenance that will be much pricier and profitable for BMW. Especially since this deal only applies to cars with >60k miles. Think brakes, cabin/air filters, spark plugs, etc.
Back in the early 1900's what we know today as mouth wash, was first offered to the public as a type of body wash. It didn't fly then unsuccessful. The company later then pushed the product as mouth wash by way of the need to be socially acceptable.I propose doing something POSITIVE & CONSTRUCTIVE with this thread:
ANYONE who can link a technically-correct Web site that discusses "Crankcase Life" of Full-Synthetic oil? Has anyone seen Oil Quality tests on Oil after 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, assuming less than 5,000 miles driven per year, and perhaps only driving ~ once per week on average?
I realize that does NOT match the driving habits of the MAJORITY of folks on this Forum but for 10 to 20 percent, perhaps including OP & myself, it probably DOES. "Dino"/Conventional OCI for years was "understood" to be: Every 3,000 miles or 1 year, whichever comes first, so the "1 year" part didn't matter to most. What about with Full-Synthetic? If BMW's 15,000 mile CBS number is reasonable, CERTAINLY the oil quality will still be sufficient 2, or maybe even 3 years after last change, unless perhaps it's driven twice a day, a mile or two in each direction and never gets the engine/oil HOT.
Actually it's called "Different Realities" for "Different Folks". The $200 paid in advance for 3 years CBS dictated Oil Change makes sense for busy person who does NOT DIY and drives 15k miles per year in his E9x. It does NOT make sense for me:
1) I'm retired and have time to DIY;
2) I have all the tools, garage, driveway, ramps, etc. and the procedures on HD;
3) I can get out the necessary tools, ramps, drive on, change oil & filter and put it all away in ~ 30 minutes. I usually take longer to let sump drain well, and do other things for 10-20 minutes as it drains.
4) Nearest dealer to me is 20 to 30+ minute drive, ONE Way. It would take TWO HOURS+ to go to Dealer & wait while doing it, assuming I don't hit "Northern VA Gridlock", even if I had an "appointment".
5) I ONLY drive 3 to 5K miles per year, even less in last 1.5 years due to pandemic.
6) I don't need the Dealer trying to tell me the $$$$ I need to pay them to fix stuff every time I go in. I have INPA & ISTA, and regularly Read Fault Code (NOT plural in my case -- YET ;-) I use fluid & filter changes as an opportunity to examine things myself. Those changes are the only thing (other than changing original plugs @ 131,000 miles, and then replacing battery ~ 2 years ago) my car has needed in 4+ years. I'm sure IF I were driving to/from work every day, I would put 3 times as many miles on the car, and need MORE repairs & maintenance. HOWEVER I do NOT feel the need to drive those miles just 'cuz a LOT of you guys DO.
7) If you ever closely Observed/Read About "Marketing Strategy", Advertising Techniques, Psychology of Advertising, etc. you should KNOW that the standard tools of the trade are to appeal to the emotions, and NOT to LOGIC. For instance, making someone think the product or service offered will enhance is sex appeal, social standing, image with neighbors, increased personal happiness or leisure time, etc. Actually saving time or money (Rational, computable criteria) are WAAAY down the list if mentioned AT ALL. Hurry, Limited Time only; only 7 left; be first in your xxx; WOW your friends...
8) The Ad SKWDMD posted is NOT THAT Tacky, but the oblique reference to CBS is an example of NOT providing the data needed to make a rational decision. That's NOT "completely transparent" (NOTHING IS; hence thy "cynicism" ;-)
"Different Strokes for Different Folks",
Well thats a good angle...are the oil changes regulated? Months, Milage, Year, Person...can I get the oil change at any dealership in the city, in the state or even out of state?It's. not for suckers. It's for people that can or can't do the math and calculate how many oil changes they will actually get in 3 years and the cost per oil change.
If you get one per year, it's a good deal. If you get one per year and a half, probably an okay deal.
If you get one per 15K miles and drive 5K per year, it's not a good deal for you.
You gotta do the math.
And, how many people will still have their car in 3 years?
Or still live near the dealer that's offering the service?