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Stiff Brake Pedal - No Start - No Crank - Not Battery

9.5K views 12 replies 6 participants last post by  willbeing  
#1 ·
Hi everyone,

I have a 2011 X5 with the N63 engine (V8). It has been running perfectly recently, until one afternoon when it did not start. It was the first cooler day, so I thought it was a battery issue and got a jump starter. This did nothing. Lights go on just fine without it, and even with it, the car does not crank.

The brake pedal is extremely stiff, and I wonder if the brake switch (which needs to be activated to start the car) is not depressing. This leads me to think it is a vacuum issue. Does anyone have experience with this?

I wonder: Even if I were to troubleshoot a leaking vacuum line and replace the line/gasket/valve/pump causing the link, would the car start, or would pressure need to be created somehow beforehand? (I may be overthinking this).

Thanks,
Will
 
#3 ·
Thanks for the quick reply, @Doug Huffman!

No vacuum is caused by the engine not running, not vice versa.
What I mean to ask is: If I were to remove the leak, would this make the brake pedal less stiff immediately (without a running car), allowing me to start the car, or would the car need to be running to reinstate the necessary vacuum first?

I am wondering if I need to depress the brake switch somehow to get the engine started and complete the repair.
 
#5 · (Edited)
You will have a stiff brake pedal without vacuum created by a running engine.

Even without vacuum, you should be able to easily depress the brake pedal enough to permit an engine start.

The stoplight switch on the brake pedal is an electronic device instead of a simple electro-mechanical switch. It may have failed, but other items are more likely.

The CAS relay is one of those items.

Also, check for broken ground straps under the hoo
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#8 ·
Although not the same, I had a similar problem recently. Everything worked (lights, accessories, etc…) but it wouldn’t even try to crank. After much hypothesis and fumbling around in the dark, it turned out to be the ground between the chassis and the block. I didn’t even get a voltage drop between the chassis and the block when I tested with a dmm. However, as soon as a load was put on that ground (trying to crank), it failed and everything shut down. Much like a battery can read good voltage, a load test is required to confirm a good battery. Those grounds are notorious in e70s so start with the basics.
Good luck.
 
#9 ·
Hi everyone. Thanks for your support. I went out of town for the holidays end of '22, and when I returned, the car cranked back up and resumed working just fine...until last week. Thus, the same issue has re-emerged 6 months later. I finally got ISTA-D running on my computer, but I'm unsure if it is connecting properly with the car. I'm posting here because of the off chance that it is in fact connecting to the car, but there is a fatal error when attempting to communicate with the ECU. Would appreciate any input. Thanks again for your help. In the meantime, I'll continue troubleshooting ISTA-D in case it's an issue with my K+DCAN. See screenshots below:

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#11 ·
Thanks for the tips, @xrviz . I ended up re-installing ISTA-D and it works now. Here are the codes. It looks like an issue with the CAS module. I'll look around for information on how to replace or fix it. In the meantime, if anyone has experience with this, please share. Thanks in advance everyone. Can't tell you how supportive it is to have a community like this.

005224 Transfer box (VTG): Oil wear
00A0B3 CAS: Engine start, starter operation


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