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Alex Baumann said:

If you don't want to get infected, do NOT drive a previous model BMW :D I'm not saying this to start another war, but it IS really different. Believe me. After driving Mark to his hotel in the Z1, I got in my car and it felt like a truck, LOL.
So, you are comparing the driving experience of a large automatic E46 to a rare 2 seat Z1 roadster...hmm
 

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Re: Re: Re: Test drove a Z1 today

Alan F said:


I think your title should be changed to:

E46 defender !!!!
I wasn't defending anything :dunno:

It is pretty obvious that a Z1 will be more fun, but my car doesn't feel like a truck compared to as Alex said, a "previous model BMW" That is a generalization that does not hold

I want a Z1 :dunno:

Maybe you haven't read my sig. :angel:
 

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TD said:


I don't try to argue with Nate on this any more as he completely lacks objectivity. He sees ANY comparison of any lighter nimbler BMW to the E46 as a slam on the E46. The thing is, most of the guys here came from the E46 board at Roadfly so comparing ANYTHING to the E46 is a valid point of reference. For some reason Nate takes it personally. Insult the E46 and he reacts more strongly than most people would were someone to insult their mother.

And I agree. That sig should read E46 and E65 DEFENDER.
I think the person who lacks objectivity is you. You hate the E46 so much that you said an E21 320 would pass me at the track when I drive my fat pig 328Ci

Hmm...saying that the E46 feels like a truck compared to any previous BMW is just not true....

I have driven EVERY 3 and 5 series and the Z3s since 1980 and don't think that generalization is appropriate. This analogy may hold with a Z1, but not ANY prior BMW. I probably put 45,000 miles on an '84 533, my car feels and handles MUCH, MUCH better :dunno:

Btw, the E46 is more nimbe than any prior 3...
 

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Alan F said:
TD and Nate . . . let's understand something and let's be honest
First let me just so no offense to either of you guys because I like you both.

Tom - you are truly a person who has been burned by the E46 and you are on a mission to make sure we know it.
Whenever you get a chance to point out the E46's negatives you do it to an extreme and you don't give up.

Nate - You ALWAYS defend your 328 vs. any car. I admire your admiration and devotion to this car but you also go to an extreme. While the E46 is an incredible all around car you do not need to defend it so much . . . I know you well enough that your going to tell me you don't but this would be defensive.

TD & Nate . . . I usually back off when I feel you guys are getting upset but this is the way it is and I am not the only who would say this.

Why can't you both accept this and let's go on . . .
Good observations,

I probably should let most everything slide, but I thought this was a little to generalized. If Alex had said the Z1 made his car feel like a truck, I would be fine with that. But, he said ANY prior BMW model does, and this does not fit with my driving impressions of older BMWs, including my extensive E28 experience. I do like Tom's E36 M3, but he hates the E46 too much.
 
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