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2006 530xi wagon ... for a few years it has been going into cripple mode where you're stuck in first gear until you can pull over and turn the key off and then start the car again and you're good until it slips into cripple mode again. It's showing up as one of the clutches slipping and I always hear a whirring sound just before it throws the fault. It's almost always when I'm stuck in stop and go freeway traffic and let off the brake and start to accelerate and it's thinking of shifting down - then you hear the whir and then it faults and leaves me in rush hour commute traffic stuck in first gear.

The local independent shop is telling me I have to fill out an application form and sign it so BMW will allow the transmission coding required for installing the rebuild. I've never heard of this before. Is this for real?

I'm also wrestling with whether or not to throw this much money into the car - it's a joy to drive when it works. I've already done most of the common problems.
 

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Have you tried to change the fluid and all the sealing sleeves between the valve body and the transmission?
It may not fix it, but that try will only cost you a few hundred dollars if you DIY.
If you are going to replace the transmission, I personally would opt for a factory rebuilt one. Not necessarily from BMW, but there are other rebuilders.
 

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There is always the option of getting rid of it and learning to drive a manual..

We dont have these problems.. We put a clutch in around 200,000 and never touch the transmission again


Plus its more fun ot drive...
 

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2006 530xi wagon ... for a few years it has been going into cripple mode where you're stuck in first gear until you can pull over and turn the key off and then start the car again and you're good until it slips into cripple mode again. It's showing up as one of the clutches slipping and I always hear a whirring sound just before it throws the fault. It's almost always when I'm stuck in stop and go freeway traffic and let off the brake and start to accelerate and it's thinking of shifting down - then you hear the whir and then it faults and leaves me in rush hour commute traffic stuck in first gear.

The local independent shop is telling me I have to fill out an application form and sign it so BMW will allow the transmission coding required for installing the rebuild. I've never heard of this before. Is this for real?

I'm also wrestling with whether or not to throw this much money into the car - it's a joy to drive when it works. I've already done most of the common problems.
Pull the mechatronix out, and get the ZF clutch kit and replace all clutches and change Tranny oil every 20-25K, will go as good as gold. I did mine as the clutch failure on 4-5 shift, and resolved.
 

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Pull the mechatronix out, and get the ZF clutch kit and replace all clutches and change Tranny oil every 20-25K, will go as good as gold. I did mine as the clutch failure on 4-5 shift, and resolved.
Are you talking about the solenoids located in the valve body?
 

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2006 530xi wagon ... for a few years it has been going into cripple mode where you're stuck in first gear until you can pull over and turn the key off and then start the car again and you're good until it slips into cripple mode again. It's showing up as one of the clutches slipping and I always hear a whirring sound just before it throws the fault. It's almost always when I'm stuck in stop and go freeway traffic and let off the brake and start to accelerate and it's thinking of shifting down - then you hear the whir and then it faults and leaves me in rush hour commute traffic stuck in first gear.

The local independent shop is telling me I have to fill out an application form and sign it so BMW will allow the transmission coding required for installing the rebuild. I've never heard of this before. Is this for real?

I'm also wrestling with whether or not to throw this much money into the car - it's a joy to drive when it works. I've already done most of the common problems.
Andy,

How many miles? How much are you willing to spend? What codes is it throwing? Recommend you consult with a ZF specialist shop. I had good conversations with these guys: http://www.dosebmw.com; not near you but they helped me.

You might get lucky with the solenoid replacement kit, but it probably depends on the codes you have. Don't waste your money replacing only the fluid. Determine the cause and address that before opening the transmission. I paid about $7.5K to a local independent shop for a rebuilt BMW sourced transmission. That was about 3 years ago. Labor was about $1500.

Good luck,
Fred
 

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I don't remember the exact codes (it's been months since I had them hook it up to the computer and read it off) but it was always the same code and something about one of the clutches slipping.

It's got just over 100K miles on it. It's the 4 wheel drive wagon 530xi.

Everytime (for a few years now) this happened, I could pull over and turn the key off and start it up again and all was good for several months until it happened again. But the last time it happened it wouldn't reset until I took it to the shop and they hooked it up to the computer and cleared it.

For a few years now, I can drive from California to Montana and back and not have a hiccup until I get back into the Bay Area stop and go traffic. When everyone suddenly stops and I put my foot on the brake to slow down and then they suddenly go again, as soon as I put my foot back on the gas it will whine for a second and throw the fault (RPMs go sky high because it has put itself into low gear and tells me to drive at reduced speed)

Since the time I took it in and they had to clear the error before it would come out of cripple mode, it has happened once or twice and both times cleared itself like it used to when I power down and start it up again. But I don't dare drive it on long trips anymore - wouldn't want to drive across Nevada in first gear the entire way.

I've asked every BMW mechanic I can find about changing fluid and about repairing it and they all refuse to change the fluid and say it'll make it worse because I've gone this long without changing it. I took it to BMW dealer years ago (didn't know any better) for the leaky seal replacement and they put the old fluid back in it again to my shock - and sited BMW guidelines to never change the fluid. And every BMW mechanic I've asked has insisted there is no fix and that a rebuilt trans is the answer.

The local German Auto place quoted me $5.5k installed for a rebuild (would swap for an already factory rebuild if one is in stock and if not in stock they'd send mine to the place for a rebuild).

I'm getting old enough I'm not up for trying to DIY --- 20 years ago I would have though.
 

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Most likely the Mechatronic sealing sleeves. You can get a new valve body for 900 bucks from Revmax and new sealing sleeves. I doubt the transmission is bad, most of the time it’s the sleeves or the valve body.
 

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Most likely the Mechatronic sealing sleeves. You can get a new valve body for 900 bucks from Revmax and new sealing sleeves. I doubt the transmission is bad, most of the time it’s the sleeves or the valve body.
My thoughts exactly. More times than not the clutch packs are fine, it's merely the controls mechanisms with which they're engaged that go belly up. Get the specific codes she's throwing, and depending on that, maybe put her up on jacks, drain the fluid, change the filter, replace the sleeve, go from the there.
 

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I don't remember the exact codes (it's been months since I had them hook it up to the computer and read it off) but it was always the same code and something about one of the clutches slipping.

It's got just over 100K miles on it. It's the 4 wheel drive wagon 530xi.

Everytime (for a few years now) this happened, I could pull over and turn the key off and start it up again and all was good for several months until it happened again. But the last time it happened it wouldn't reset until I took it to the shop and they hooked it up to the computer and cleared it.

For a few years now, I can drive from California to Montana and back and not have a hiccup until I get back into the Bay Area stop and go traffic. When everyone suddenly stops and I put my foot on the brake to slow down and then they suddenly go again, as soon as I put my foot back on the gas it will whine for a second and throw the fault (RPMs go sky high because it has put itself into low gear and tells me to drive at reduced speed)

Since the time I took it in and they had to clear the error before it would come out of cripple mode, it has happened once or twice and both times cleared itself like it used to when I power down and start it up again. But I don't dare drive it on long trips anymore - wouldn't want to drive across Nevada in first gear the entire way.

I've asked every BMW mechanic I can find about changing fluid and about repairing it and they all refuse to change the fluid and say it'll make it worse because I've gone this long without changing it. I took it to BMW dealer years ago (didn't know any better) for the leaky seal replacement and they put the old fluid back in it again to my shock - and sited BMW guidelines to never change the fluid. And every BMW mechanic I've asked has insisted there is no fix and that a rebuilt trans is the answer.

The local German Auto place quoted me $5.5k installed for a rebuild (would swap for an already factory rebuild if one is in stock and if not in stock they'd send mine to the place for a rebuild).

I'm getting old enough I'm not up for trying to DIY --- 20 years ago I would have though.
Ask your local place where they source the rebuilt transmissions. Seems like a good price compared to what I paid! Highly recommend that you pull the codes and call the guys at Dose in San Diego. Hell, if I lived in California I would take my car to them and get them to look at it.

Good luck,
Fred
Let us know what you course you take and if it was successful.
 

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I purchased my 530i last November and love it. Twice recently I have experienced the passing gear downshift that goes into failsafe mode. Occasionally I get the 2 gear down 1 downshift bump coming to a stop. I talked to my local Transmission guy who I used a few years ago in Ronkonkoma NY. What I really like about the guy is he takes the time to listen to what you have to say about the symptoms your car is experiencing. After some back and forth discussion over possible faults within the tranny he went with my recommendation of valve body, mechatronic kit, filter/pan and fluid. I will furnish the parts and he will do the installation for what I think is a good price, especially since I do not have to lay on my back to do this. I firmly believe this will cure any issues.
However I also believe that different symptoms will lead to different solutions so read all you can on the subject before leaping to a possible solution.
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Your torque converter and the clutches inside it is toast. I had this happen with my 04 530i, I now have a 2013 328i xDrive, very reliable f30 with 118,000 highway miles. Want my honest opinion? Put a used transmission in there that works, and sell the damn thing and get a newer one. People rag on these f30s so much but they have been very reliable cars, even the f10 535-528i also. I had an e60, I regret keeping it for as long as I did. The car, everything broke on it. And I mean everything, get an f-series, finance it if you can and you’ll be worry free for quite a while!


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