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Hi,
Two months ago my e39 525d touring died with 370000km on it.
Of course I have a new one (220000km) because these cars drive so well, I can't go back to something else. :)

I was wondering which parts I shall (let) salvage from the old car before bringing it to the recycler.

The old car has a jammed engine (common rail pump leaking diesel in the the engine, resulting in hydrostatic lock)
The wrecker/recycler will hardly pay me for it, but I have invested 3k EUR in it over the last half year. That was mostly wear parts like tension struts and wishbone, 4 Continentals, both front brake disks and pads, Final Stage Unit, Exhaust with cat, cabin air filters, wiper blades, etc.
So there are quite a lot of good parts on it still which I can use in the near future on my new car.
Some I can remove myself, some I have to have the recycler remove for me, as their removal inhibits the car from rolling/standing on its wheels.

Now my question: What more parts should I remove or let be removed before selling the remainder to the recycler?
I'm a little handy, but have not a lot of tools (just regular stuff like spanners, torx Allen keys, etc and have no place to work on it. It is standing on the public road in front of my house (busy street), so changing the tires and removing some interior parts is about what I can do myself.

Parts that I salvage will mostly be mounted on my new car (when needed) by an independent BMW specialist, so that might influence what is useful to take off. Cheap parts in a labor intensive repair I will want replaced with brand new ones. The other way around would be the FSU (100 EUR part which I can replace myself in 5 min. That part will go on my shelf.

Some parts I might not need, but I can sell easily. Those will mostly be parts which are easy to check on their condition, or with which potential buyers are willing to take a chance.
Navigation computer and door panels could be such parts.

My first thoughts I have categorized.
I would very much welcome your thoughts about it as well. Also parts that I have missed which I should pick are welcome additions.

INTERIOR
Interior is not very usable: the old one was sandbeige leather, the new one black leather and less worn, so I will keep the black
Both have manual adjustable seats, so not much useful there?
Seat heating?
'window sills' with curtains in back doors I need as the new car has damaged ones.
Wood trim on dash in front of passenger I might need as the one on the new car is a bit loose (don't yet know why.
Wood trim on gear lever, handbrake and center console insert? The old center console insert has on crack less, and they seem easy to replace.
The lower front seat belts (the piece with the release button that is fixed to the chair) in the new car are half broken. They seem to be one expensive part with the automatic tensioner. I will want those if they can be safely removed?
Are spare speakers for rear ceiling useful?
Did I miss something?

BODY
Bodywork I can use (both sapphire black) and same age.
So:
Boot lid (both are a little bit rusted) but wiper motor and electric locks might be useful?
Gas springs are broken on the old one, so they can stay.
Hood (old one has small paint chips damage from gravel, new one looks better overall, but has rust on the front corner.) Repainting the old one might be easier than restoring the new one?
Front fenders (you never know)
Inner wheel well lining front (new car has piece missing)
Front bumper (new car has lowered suspension and I think the new car's front bumper has seen more speed bumps than the old one.
Rear bumper (new car has fixed aftermarket hitch, old car has factory fitted removable hitch). Can the hitch including bumper be switched? Will the electronics fit on the aftermarket wiring loom?
PDC unit is easily removed, right?
Doors seem a nice idea (one of the new car's doors has some small shopping cart scars). Is switching doors something to consider or a complete nightmare?
Chrome trim on old car looks better. When I keep all the fenders and doors, I only need the piece around the rear side windows. Can that be removed without bending it?
Can you remove and reuse a front windscreen?
What about rear fixed windows? Can you reuse those in case the built in antennas go bad?
Anything I forgot?

DASHBOARD
multifunctional steering wheel (both cracked, but old one got sticky buttons in winter. If the new one gets that as well, I have a spare steering wheel to practice with.
What about the whole dash? Nice to have a spare if some of my sweet children get sunscreen on it? Or is it a nightmare to replace? Can you resell airbags or do people only want them with guarantees?
Dashboard fan is probably one of those parts I would sooner replace with a new one once I have the complete dash out.
The speedometer? It has metal color rings, but some pixel loss (new car has had the pixel loss problem repaired) Are they car S/N specific, or can you sell them easily?
Cup holders are broken on both cars of course ;-)
Navigation (widescreen) unit should be easy. The trim around it as well so I can help a friends care without it?
Parts of the car phone? The old one was a 84110139225 (Motorola on a wire) the new one is some wireless Nokia (6310i or 6230, I have two eject boxes, but no phone so do not know if the phone works) The new car does have Bluetooth however, but suffers from noise. Are there any reusable parts in this, or are all these parts too phone specific?
Final Stage Unit
Aircon operating panel (in case new car develops pixel problem there)

LIGHTING
Rear lights (both are a bit dull, so I can practice polishing on the old car's)
Headlights I have Xenon now, so old (also dull) H7 headlights can go for sale. Perhaps I can practice polishing the glass with them.
Celis bulbs are perhaps reusable? Or are Xenon units too different?

MOTOR COMPARTMENT
I know least about this area.
Common rail pump is broken, which was the cause of death.
Perhaps the turbo (which is a one year old refurbished unit) was lubricated too thinly on the oil/diesel mixture and should not be trusted? It is a 500 EUR repair and a 1000 EUR part if I need to repair my new one, but do I want to risk it? Can you check their trustworthiness?
Are turbo or vacuum hoses useful or are they so cheap you want to install new ones always?
Exhaust with cat is relatively new on both cars, so I might sell one?
Aircon parts tend to be expensive, but are the labor costs high as well? Or are there aircon parts that might be useful to salvage?
Passenger compartment air filters (are brand new)
aux fan in front of radiator can be useful or not?
What about the radiator or other coolant system parts?
I don't think any of them has the complete system replaced like I see advised sometimes.
Power steering on old car is normal but on the new car it has Servotronic, so can you reuse parts there?
How about power brake system parts?
I think the injectors might be a good thing to salvage or not?
I see many issues contributed to a broken MAF sensor. Is that a good part to keep a spare of?
Vacuum pump?
Alternator?
Starter motor?
Or are these parts too labor intensive to let the recycler salvage them for me and the indy install them again and still be economically sensible?
The hood locking seems a little rusted on the new car. Is that easy to swap? It seems embedded in the front steel bars.
Are there any more parts of interest under the hood?

SUSPENSION
Gassprings rear wheels was recently changed/repaired on both cars (i think only the bellows), but perhaps there are more parts in there that can break? Like the pump?
Front brake disks and pads
Are rear brake disks and pad of interest when they are not new bot not worn down completely either, or is it better to replace with new ones always?
Wheels (for my winter set)
The new car's diff has a drop of oil hanging from it, but i do not yet know if it has issues. Are these diffs easily swapped, or should I always go for a new one?
Did I miss something?

TRANSMISSION
The old transmission was less smooth, so nothing of interest there right? Or are there some easy money savers still on it?

OTHER
From the boot I will scoop the spare wheel, tools, cd changer, the navigation computer and the battery.

Again, any advice will be greatly appreciated,
Cheers
e39-rijder


For completeness sake the two cars' descriptions:

The old car with options:
525d e39 Touring Automatic M57 2002-Oct-30
Leather Exclusive HIGHLINE/sandbeige (V6SN)
SAPPHIRE METALLIC
Leveling function rear
Multifunction steering wheel
sunscreens rear doors
interior trim Muschelahorn
automatic dimming rear view mirror
heated front seats
PDC fronta and rear
rainsensor+automatic light
airco automatic+AUC
car computer with widescreen navi
cd changer
carcomputer HIGH
white indicators
steptronic
foglamps front
removable hitch

The new car with options:
530d e39 Touring Automatic M57 2002-Dec-04
Leather Exlusive HIGHLINE/schwarz (V6SW)
SAPPHIRE METALLIC
Servotronic
Sportsuspension (original)
Leveling function rear
Multifunction steering wheel
Front wind screen with green band
xenon+spray nozzles+intensive wash
0644 universal handy preparation. bluetooth
sunscreens rear doors
interior trim Muschelahorn
automatic dimming rear view mirror
heated front seats
PDC fronta and rear
rainsensor+automatic light
airco automatic+AUC
car computer with widescreen navi
cd changer
carcomputer HIGH
white indicators
steptronic
foglamps front
removable hitch
aftermarket fixed hitch
 

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I say keep the old car!!!
Yeah, That would be best, wouldn't it, but I have nowhere to put it. So I have to suspend it and rent a storagebox at 80EUR to 100EUR a month in my area. Keeping it on public roads (parking space in front of my house) means I have to insure it and pay taxes (about 200EUR a month).
I have a basement where I can store all the loose parts, as long as they fit through the door and down the stairs.
Another option would be to have the recycler have it all for a higher price and buy back parts when I need them, but I think that would be more expensive and less fun. Having the spare parts means you can more easily see how they come loose in the running car, so perhaps I can do some more work myself on it. (currently by the time I find out how it comes apart, I have to put it back together again because it's getting dark or it starts to rain)
 

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I would keet the boot lid, even if it shows some rust. On this side of the pond in areas where salt is pud down on the roads during winter, cars RUST away!!!

I need to replace the boot, glass and wiper motor.

I would keep the front window from the old car, if it is in better condition than the new car.

Good luck.
 

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Just remove all the fluids and store them in a dry place.
They will be the most useful.
 

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update

Hi everybody,
Time for an update I would say.
I removed the entire Sandbeige interior. That is seats, trunk lining, pillars, carpets, doorsills, rooflining, console sides, etc. Everything beige inside the car except for the front carpet that is still clamped by climat control housing, and will try to sell it as a whole set.
I also removed the entire dashboard and console, saving the gear lever till last to put the car in neutral for the wrecker.

I removed all internal electronics; rear-gas-spring pump, radio unit, PDC, ligths computer, yaw sensor, etc.

I prepared the doors, front and rear bumpers and hood for fast removal, and disconnected the trunk lid (wow, that is heavy without gas springs). I have some trouble loosening the front fenders, as the T27 bolts are painted over at the factory and don't come loose, especially the ones reachable from the wheel well. Even an impact screwdriver does not work. Perhaps I will have to forget about them. I cant reach them with a drill either.

The car is still lockable and looks quite unharmed from the outside. It is still on the public street, so it needs to look tidy all the time. Bumpers and lights are slid into place but are not fixed to the car anymore, doors are just hanging on their hinges (cables still connected for central locking).

All wheel well lining, engine bay covers, brake discs and shoes, ABS wheel speed sensors, Aux fan, ABS control unit, MAF, flexible exhaust piece with cat (1yr old), new air filter, vacuum pump are all off. I cannot remove the radiator easily, without removing the entire front end of the car so all components like alternator and airco parts are difficult to reach and may have to stay on. Rear gas springs will also stay on the car, just like the brake system. Calipers are hanging on brake lines, so I might take those off as well.

The garage (know as the stealer around here) loaned me a ball joint remover tool for a day, so I loosend the wishbones and reaction arms at the front. They are still in place as the car is standing on its own wheels, but I can take them out after jacking up the car without tools if needed.

chrome trim on trunk side windows is removed without bending it :)
wood trim on handbrake lever is not removable is seems.

I bought a cutting wire and a cutting-starter-needle to try and remove the windshield and trunk side windows on the day the scrapper comes, so when they shatter, it only looks like a wreck for a day.

All this without using a ratchet/socket spanner, just regular spanners, so I have developed some RSI now...

I have some work remaining, but with the car costing me 50 euro's a week on taxes and insurance, I will call it a draw end of this week I think.

cheers, and thanks for the replies that I got.
e39-rijder
 

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This is what I learned so far

The T27 bolts holding the fenders are painted over in the factory, and are almost impossible to loosen intact.

the tailgate has no connectors close to the car body, so I will have to cut the cable bundle half a meter inside the car roof the day it comes off.

The handbrake lever is not removable. I saw a youtube movie on how to break it free on torsion, but that is all.

The front carpet runs all the way from left to right underneath the climate unit, etc.

Remove the airpump of the suspension last, as the car will sit very low without air.

The car suffered from hydrostatic lock, and billowed an enormous amount of white smoke.
I found oil everywhere: in the air intake channels (radiator at bottom front of car, but not in the long oval air filter), as well as in the exhaust. I hope the cat still works. The coolant seems to miss a few liters as well.

My alarm horn was located in the right rear wheel well.

The boxes holding the abs speed sensors and pad wear sensors were full of dirt. The flat square sensors inside the rear bumpers at the side of the car (air bag impact sensors?) are rotted and split open.

Radiator removal seems to require removal of everything behind the front bumper. It is kept in place by the fan shroud, which is held in place by the fan (unless you have some long and large spanners to release the fan).

My car seemed to have external heating, but that never showed up in the menus or option list.

the trim on the inside of the tailgate is very brittle. I removed almost all the trim in the car without damaging them, but the clips on these pieces just shatters.

I found quite a few loosened bolts and already broken clips, so someone has been working on the car before me, or the car slowly disintegrates over time.

In many corners and pockets underneath the car I found a lot of caked down black mud with rust starting to develop underneath. The wheel well linings and underside covering may keep out a lot of dirt, but the also keep a lot of dirt in place in all kinds of crevices, pockets and gaps.

I found that there are many iterations on these cars. Something like the steering column covering may come apart in many different ways and you just have to guess what applies to your version of the car.

You need quality Torx keys and bits. I wore through my cheap set (20 euros for a set of keys T10 to T50).

Taking the car apart is much, MUCH easier than putting it together...
Sorry I did not have the time to photograph it all, but I'm to much in a hurry.
 

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the car is gone

The scrapper came today and took the car away.
Of coarse they said the car was much more stripped than they understood, so I didn't get the 100 euro's for the wreck (scrappers are a breed apart I feel), but at least its gone now.

The windshield was cut out in one piece, but i really do not know how to do that without damaging the car with all parts in place. I got a lot of damage on the A pillar, roof, plastic lining underneath dashboard (dash was removed already), etc. even the airbags in the a-pillar were damaged. I had to use a knife to cut the trim (it was a replacement windscreen, so the adhesive fixated the trim as well), so heavy damage in the gap between windshield and pillars/roof.
I had to remove the plate covering the wiper motor, etc. Lucky the car needed to be scrapped.

I cut off the +battery terminal in the back with a length of wire, Perhaps this can be used if the crash cutoff ever goes bad, I don't know.

In the end WD-40 helped to get the painted over T27 bolts loose withe the impact screwdriver and extension. I guessed the they were stuck because they were painted over, but apparently there is still a microscopic gap in which the WD-40 can penetrate and do its magic.

I did not remove the rear side windows as I had no idea where to cut. The moudling is really tough.

I removed the brake calipers as well, was very easy and I could use my 14mm size spanner for the first time in its life...

For the fan I borrowed a 32mm spanner, but it was too wide for the narrow counter-lock-nut part. putting it on the big hex of the fan and hammering it loosened it quickly.

The windscreen wiper mechanism and motor was difficult to remove, you realy need some kind of extractor if you do not want to damgage it. I used a hammer and crowbar, but off coarse damaged it.

That summarizes it. Thanks for the interest.

cheers
e39-rijder

 
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