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I got a 09 328i...I love the German engineering of my car but can’t figure out two things:

1. First, which genius designed the cup holder – different thread I guess
2. How do I know the temperature of the engine during winter times? Instead of that gauge, I have the fuel mpg gauge…

I live close to a highway, which I need to take for work. In the winter, I don’t want to push the car straight at highway speed without knowing if the engine is ready. Any way to tell, especially when wifey is taking the car, without looking at the secret hidden menu.

Thanks in advance...
 

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Well, you can get a cheap ELM 327 Bluetooth OBD connector from eBay and use the Torque app on your smartphone. That will at least give you water temperature.

It takes a while for it to heat up. In the wintertime, mine is still not at full oil temperature after 20 minutes at 75 mph. It takes at least 7 miles at 75 mph before I come off the 160 degree peg on my oil temperature gauge on a below freezing winter day, especially if the temperaure has been in single digits overnight. Dallas may be less of an issue.
 

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Hello,
I got a 09 328i...I love the German engineering of my car but can't figure out two things:

1. First, which genius designed the cup holder - different thread I guess
2. How do I know the temperature of the engine during winter times? Instead of that gauge, I have the fuel mpg gauge…

I live close to a highway, which I need to take for work. In the winter, I don't want to push the car straight at highway speed without knowing if the engine is ready. Any way to tell, especially when wifey is taking the car, without looking at the secret hidden menu.

Thanks in advance...
1. You got me. Everyone that gets in the car thinks they're cool, but for someone that has to live with them, especially when transporting TWO beverages, it's a pain.

2. This one CAN be tricky, but first: Do you have an iDrive system in your car? The monitor in the middle of your dashboard? If so, you can check the oil reading there, if it's reading your oil level, it means that car's basically warmed up enough.

Otherwise follow the basic and simple procedure of driving about 20-25 minutes in stop and go traffic, or 15'ish minutes on the highway with temperatures above 50 F. Then, you nail it like you've stepped on a nail with bare feet.
 

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Dallas is not too much of an issue in the winter but might be moving to Michigan, so need to be prepared and train the wifey will ahead of time...
Sorry, no iDrive in mine...Does the car have some sort of warning if the engine is too cold? I know they have one for overheating but didn't see anything in the manual...
 

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No, there is no 'cold warning', but there is a chime that you'll hear randomly and you'll see a snowflake icon in the center of the speedometer, that'll alert you that it's below 37 F, so that's one sign that it is cold outside.

Basically just drive it for a bit before punching it in colder weather, and less in warmer weather. If you live RIGHT near the highway, you won't be slamming the pedal ever (my luck unfortunately).
 

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Regarding the warm-up, these cars have electric power steering pumps so the warming is rapid. Plus, unless you're going straight to 160km/h or over 3500rpm right off the bat, I wouldn't worry. I also live right next to the highway and have to get drive it up to 110-120km/h while the engine is bone cold (<40°C)
 

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As long as you use the recommended oil you don't have to worry about driving at highway speed right away. Just worry about keeping the routine maintenance up-to-date and you should have no trouble.

I live just under a mile from the freeway and we have long cold winters here. I have a 25 mile commute that I have been driving for over eleven years with great service from a number of cars (170K Toyota, 211K Mitsubishi, 190+K on BMW e36, 215K on Dodge, 238K on Ford, 98K on BMW e90). Some of these I used in Washington DC metro area for 5 years and St. Louis area for eleven years before that all with similar commutes. I have discovered that the key to long trouble free service is using quality oil and doing maintenance on schedule. Maybe I am just lucky but I have never had a catastrophic engine failure. I don't baby the drivetrain either. Drive the car like it was designed to be driven and pay attention to what it tells you by listening to any strange or unusual noise or vibration etc.
 

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Regarding the warm-up, these cars have electric power steering pumps so the warming is rapid. Plus, unless you're going straight to 160km/h or over 3500rpm right off the bat, I wouldn't worry. I also live right next to the highway and have to get drive it up to 110-120km/h while the engine is bone cold (<40°C)
Electric water pump, not power steering.
 

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Hello,
I got a 09 328i...I love the German engineering of my car but can't figure out two things:

1. First, which genius designed the cup holder ***8211; different thread I guess
2. How do I know the temperature of the engine during winter times? Instead of that gauge, I have the fuel mpg gauge***8230;..

I live close to a highway, which I need to take for work. In the winter, I don't want to push the car straight at highway speed without knowing if the engine is ready. Any way to tell, especially when wifey is taking the car, without looking at the secret hidden menu.
Highway driving no prob - car won't let you damage it unless you over-rev w/manual.

But to thrash it....best wait until up to normal OIL temp. Somewhere there's an oil temp sensor....you can read it if you wish - N52 has a 2AZ oil condition sensor just like N54, prob in oil pan - RTD temp sensor is part of it.

And now I see: the 1AZ Oil pressure switch/engine oil temperature sensor. Ta-da!! There's the other temp sensor I thought was installed, and it is for N52 and N54. Have no advice on where it's mounted or how it works - sorry!

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If it gets really cold where you live, get a block heater. when idle rpm's drop, she's ready to go. As posted above, use the recommend oil - no worries.
The manual says " Set off right away" or something like that. The best way to warm up an engine is to drive it. Just accelerate smoothly.
 

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awesome...thanks everyone for a quick reply...now, who do we send the cup-holder complains to??? :dunno:
 

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awesome...thanks everyone for a quick reply...now, who do we send the cup-holder complains to??? :dunno:
I can't remember the last time I used cupholders in my X3.
 

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No, there is no 'cold warning', but there is a chime that you'll hear randomly and you'll see a snowflake icon in the center of the speedometer, that'll alert you that it's below 37 F, so that's one sign that it is cold outside.

Basically just drive it for a bit before punching it in colder weather, and less in warmer weather. If you live RIGHT near the highway, you won't be slamming the pedal ever (my luck unfortunately).
My typical work commute is 8 miles/15 min so basically I never get to "have fun." :(
 

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I try to keep it below 4k rpm until I see at least 190 on the oil temp gauge. That takes at least 12 min on a normal day. If it's really cold, can take up to 18 min.
 

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I love the e90 cupholder. It is perfect reach for my arm. It is out of the way. When not needed it's hidden. The only downside is when the passenger one is out, and the passenger exits/enters the car I always worry that she will hit it with her leg.
 

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You have a 328 so you don't need to worry about blowing turbo seals beating on it when the oil is cold but like anything mechanical it is better to take it easy on it when cold starting out. If you jump right on the interstate then you need to get up to speed to not be a nuisance. My M3 with 284K miles lived a gentle life in Az and Fl now in Oh but again not turbocharged and used factory synthetic oil changes.

Cup holders are adequate and the Germans actually Europeans in general don't get the cup holders for good reason. If you drive much at Autobahn or Autostrada speeds you would understand why.
 

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You have a 328 so you don't need to worry about blowing turbo seals beating on it when the oil is cold but like anything mechanical it is better to take it easy on it when cold starting out. If you jump right on the interstate then you need to get up to speed to not be a nuisance. My M3 with 284K miles lived a gentle life in Az and Fl now in Oh but again not turbocharged and used factory synthetic oil changes.

Cup holders are adequate and the Germans actually Europeans in general don't get the cup holders for good reason. If you drive much at Autobahn or Autostrada speeds you would understand why.
As a European that lived in Germany for several years, I need cup holders! I don't really mind the E90 ones, but like Furb said, I worry about someone smacking it with their knee, then I'm out like $80 or whatever they cost (been a while since I checked).

Even if it's just for water (only thing I really allow in my car), I need a solid cup holder. I like how the F30 does it.
 

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As a European that lived in Germany for several years, I need cup holders! I don't really mind the E90 ones, but like Furb said, I worry about someone smacking it with their knee, then I'm out like $80 or whatever they cost (been a while since I checked).

Even if it's just for water (only thing I really allow in my car), I need a solid cup holder. I like how the F30 does it.
That's about the ONLY thing the F30 does well! :p
It's a small price to pay to endure the somewhat inconvenient cup holders, in exchange for having the hydraulic steering and NA6 engine.

Of course BJ feels otherwise since he bought a souped up golf cart for 50+ large...:angel:
 

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1. I'll never get why people complain so much about the cup holders. They aren't an engineering marvel, but I've seen so many far worse designs, and the ones in my old Passat were virtually unusable. Inserting or removing a soda can required two hands so you didn't break the stupid thing, and they were no more than maybe half an inch deep. Aside from passengers needing to watch their knees, I find these to work just fine.

2. As was suggested earlier, the easiest solution is to try checking your oil level, and you don't need iDrive to do it. Just check the menus using the rocker switch and button on the turn signal stalk. I don't know how close it has to be to normal operating temp to register, but my admittedly very unscientific sense is that it's similar to reaching normal coolant temp. (If anyone can say more specifically, I'd be interested to know.) In any case, it's clumsy, but it's free and always available.
 
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