Not sure about the others, but I think you're wrong on the acceleration part. The G35 will still pull after 80, not by a big margin though.JAWJr said:Well I'll be the first here to respond. The G35 has more power than the 330, so acceleration-wise, it may slightly pull on the 330 up to 80 or so. But I think the 330 would pull from the G35 past 80 because it's geared more as an autobahn cruiser- for higher speed power. I think the brakes would be better on the 330 because BMW always builds their brakes larger than they need to be. On the other hand I think you can do that Brembo brake package for the G35 from the factory and those would out perform the 330's stock brakes. And as far as handling, I have no doubt the 330 would kill the G35 on the track because BMW's are that best handling cars in the world. Nearly 50/50 weight distribution. Enough said. And obviously I'm biased.
Hope this helps at all.
Brembos are nothing if you can't dissipate and manage the pad temperatures properly.startover said:Wow, impressive. I thought brembo's were very expensive brakes. :thumbup: :thumbup: to bmws!
The HACK said:2. Handling edge goes to the BMW, not because it's got a better suspension (it doesn't, the multi-link/strut hybrid suspension up front on the G35 is excellent, the 4 link suspension in the rear is just as advanced and very similar to that of the BMW), but the BMW has a much better steering box. The weight distribution isn't a big issue, because the G35 is NEAR 50/50 with a slight front bias, which is ideal for neutral throttle through a corner. But the steering box is the weak point here, the BMW steering is so precise and turn-in so sharp and consistent that it's hard to replicate. Probably the best steering box in a mass produced car outside of Porsche.
3. Braking is BMW, hands down. Brembo package or not. Reason? Those massive rotors on the BMW act as a huge heat sink, and BMW actually has functional air-ducts routing air to the front brakes to prevent fading. If you compare strictly braking distance, the two cars are very similar, but if you compare REPEATED braking performance, the BMW will resist fade much longer than the G35, because it can build and dissipate heat more efficiently. By the end of the day on the track, there'll be so much heat in those rotors and pads, it'll disintegrate the pads from the extreme heat (and brake pads only work in a certain temperature range).
Trust me, one of my track buddies that takes his 350z Track to the track regularly (try saying that three times as fast) has the same Brembo brake package as the G35s, and they do not hold up well.allaboutme said:I'm almost positive that BMWs suffer from brake fade doing any type of aggressive driving. Although the G35 has Brembos, I'm not sure how they really do measure up. I have no doubt, however, that the 330 stops the same or better because of reduced weight and relatively large rotors and excellent pads. Tires should also play an important part....
If you believe that bull sh*t, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you for cheap.ChrisTO said:if BMW has amazing brakes, can someone explain to me why G35s have a shorter braking distance than a 330i from car reviews.
G35 - 115ft
330i (with performance pkg)- 120ft
the numbers don't lie.
For a car of this performance level, yes fade is a big problem with BMWs. Then again, when they compare BMW brakes they're usually comparing it to say, Porsche 911s, which has one of the best brake designs I've ever seen. I think in M cars, BMW should really consider ditching the sliding caliper design and go with a fixed 2 pot or 4 pot design to better alleviate heat build-up, and do what Porsche do with the curved vane cooling duct behind the wheel well to direct air from front of the car directly to the front calipers and rotors. The brakes (or it's lack of better cooling) is the weak point of the M3s, for that much performance people SHOULD expect better brakes.norihaga said:And I thought brake fade was an infamous 3-series weakness? M3 comparisons usually complain about that. Of course, take almost any road car to the track and this will be an issue.
The HACK said:For a car of this performance level, yes fade is a big problem with BMWs. Then again, when they compare BMW brakes they're usually comparing it to say, Porsche 911s, which has one of the best brake designs I've ever seen. I think in M cars, BMW should really consider ditching the sliding caliper design and go with a fixed 2 pot or 4 pot design to better alleviate heat build-up, and do what Porsche do with the curved vane cooling duct behind the wheel well to direct air from front of the car directly to the front calipers and rotors. The brakes (or it's lack of better cooling) is the weak point of the M3s, for that much performance people SHOULD expect better brakes.
But like I said, BMW makes better brakes than 90% of the other manufactures, and BMW brakes out perform most other brakes outside of the fancier setup used in cars like 911s and Corvettes, whom the M3s compete directly against.
That's why Best Motoring races are much better indicators of car abilities than driver's schools - because each driver is a pro Le Mans or Japan Touring car driver - eliminating the skill issue.norihaga said:I suspect that was the driver or his or her tires. I've been on TDs with BMWs that are extremely quick. I've also seen at least one very quick G35 coupe, of course, but if you're getting beat by a streetable Accord, you have problems.
Edit: When I was at Pocono for a bike track day, I ambled over to the fence for a look at the PCA folks (and their semi trailers...), and saw a Turbo being spanked mercilessly by a stripped out, beat-to-**** 356 that I later found out was mostly held together by baling wire and old oil. So I'm not sure how much you can learn by watching one example with drivers of different ability.