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I'm not shure yet. I would have to try out the SMG. Once I see how well I can shift the M5 this weekend (heel-toe, etc), I will be able to make up my mind better.
As of now, the ability to make perfect shifts and perfect rev-matches ever times seems very appealing. :yikes: I would lean to SMG for the track, even if it is imperfect on the street...
As of now, the ability to make perfect shifts and perfect rev-matches ever times seems very appealing. :yikes: I would lean to SMG for the track, even if it is imperfect on the street...
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I think the SMG is probably the right choice for the track (or even for autocrossing), for the reasons you state. After all, that's why they use it in F1.
I would stick with the traditional stick for street use or mixed street/track use, though. I've heard that SMG-type transmissions eat clutches pretty quickly, which is OK on an F355 or a Vanquish (that might go 1000 miles in a year), but is NOT acceptable on a car I use as a 12K mi/yr daily driver. I've also heard that they are awkward in urban settings, which is where I do a good chunk of my driving.
More than that, though, I really do enjoy the interplay of the clutch pedal and the other controls. It's fun to shift using a clutch, and I don't see any reason to give that up.
I would stick with the traditional stick for street use or mixed street/track use, though. I've heard that SMG-type transmissions eat clutches pretty quickly, which is OK on an F355 or a Vanquish (that might go 1000 miles in a year), but is NOT acceptable on a car I use as a 12K mi/yr daily driver. I've also heard that they are awkward in urban settings, which is where I do a good chunk of my driving.
More than that, though, I really do enjoy the interplay of the clutch pedal and the other controls. It's fun to shift using a clutch, and I don't see any reason to give that up.
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No fancy automatics for me!
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What you state is true, that is the problem.JST said:
Almost ALL of my driving is in the city, and probably always will be (I hate the suburbs). I love to shift and use my clutch, but I will probably never perfect the heel-toe that the SMG can do.
I'm torn
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Sure it is!nate328Ci said:
It isn't an automatic
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theoretically maybe it isn't. But as long as there's no clutch pedal, it's not a manual either, IMO.nate328Ci said:It isn't an automatic
With Alpina Switchtronic you have the same effect.
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You mean the Alpina ? Yes, 6-Speed manual :thumb:ALEX325i said:
Honestly, after almost three years the automatic became boring.
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Switchtronic is a regular Steptronic transmission with shift buttons on the steering wheel, right?Alex Baumann said:
That is VERY, VERY different from SMG. SMG is a real manual with computer cluch programs. Switchtronic doesn't dump the clutch, allow you to shift in 0.08sec, rev-match, etc.....
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We know, we know....nate328Ci said:
but it's still a fancy manu-matic.
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Nate,nate328Ci said:
I know very well how SMG works. A real manual car has a clutch pedal. SMG is something between automatic and manual. How do you explain the Auto-mode in SMG ?
With SMG you're not clutching, you are having the computer clutching for you (in a conventional way of course).
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You may not think that it is a real manual, I can accept that. But saying that SMG is a fancy automatic is completely wrong.Alex Baumann said:
Automatic mode in SMG is very crude, the manual mode allows complete control of the shifiting that is not possible with a Step....
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Well, some may say it's fancy-automatic, others may say it's a fancy-manual. I'd call it SMGnate328Ci said:
But again, other than shifting speed, I can see no advantages there.
And playing with clutch pedal to adjust the dose of gas in traffic shouldn't be as easy as with a manual. I haven't tested SMG yet, maybe someone who tested it may give us a feedback.
SMG sounds interesting, but I would have to drive it BEFORE buying it.
But, I also do not quite get the point of shift paddles if your car has more than one turn, lock to lock, on the steering wheel??
I mean, shift paddles make more sense if your hands are not leaving the steering wheel
Otherwise, isn't manual the only way to drive:dunno:
But, I also do not quite get the point of shift paddles if your car has more than one turn, lock to lock, on the steering wheel??
I mean, shift paddles make more sense if your hands are not leaving the steering wheel
Otherwise, isn't manual the only way to drive:dunno:
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