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However I do enjoy my X3 more for other reasons.

I "had" to do that once on I-95 in North Carolina in my E46 M3. Some old lady in a Buick was tailgating me, probably because I had a radar detector and she was late for her bingo game or hair solon for some another blue dye job. I kept speeding up, but so did she. 105 MPH and she was still there. So, when I saw a patch of open road and no place for troopers to hide, I did a blast to get away from her.

Later, when people would start chasing me, I'd settle in at 105 MPH so they could almost catch me. If I got stopped by a trooper, I would have said "That guy was waving his fist at me and weaving into my lane. I feared for my life, and I figured running from him would be better than shooting him."

Stay in your lane! ***8230; Crazy Yank's on the Autobahn.
 

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I "had" to do that once on I-95 in North Carolina in my E46 M3. Some old lady in a Buick was tailgating me, probably because I had a radar detector and she was late for her bingo game or hair solon for some another blue dye job. I kept speeding up, but so did she. 105 MPH and she was still there. So, when I saw a patch of open road and no place for troopers to hide, I did a blast to get away from her.

Later, when people would start chasing me, I'd settle in at 105 MPH so they could almost catch me. If I got stopped by a trooper, I would have said "That guy was waving his fist at me and weaving into my lane. I feared for my life, and I figured running from him would be better than shooting him."

Stay in your lane! ***8230; Crazy Yank's on the Autobahn.


No excuses needed on the Autobahn.
My x3 maxes out at 133MPH, but that’s all momentum after 130.

Come March I’ll be at more plebeian cruising speeds back in the US
 

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Absolutely test drive both. The M40i is substantially more money and it will not be enjoyed more. There is nothing wrong with an X3. I have no regrets and would buy the M again...but to own the X3 would not be a step down. It's about what a buyer likes, wants and can afford. Good luck and enjoy either.
This is the same thing that I said that @scbeiber quoted. The only thing different I said was that I dont see the point in debating it here, because of the above.

The X3 30i and M40i are the same vehicle, but the M40 comes with a more expensive engine, and more things standard than the 30i.

Whether its "worth it" (which is the only debate one can have on this topic) is dependent on what individual wants from the vehicle. These debates about engines always turn out the same way on car forums (not just BMW).

People who bought the higher end model will say that its worth it (because they bought it). People who didnt decided that for them, it wasnt. I still dont see what can be debated about engine size and worth on this topic.
 

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Absolutely test drive both. The M40i is substantially more money and it will not be enjoyed more. There is nothing wrong with an X3. I have no regrets and would buy the M again...but to own the X3 would not be a step down. It's about what a buyer likes, wants and can afford. Good luck and enjoy either.
This is the same thing that I said that @scbeiber quoted. The only thing different I said was that I dont see the point in debating it here, because of the above.

The X3 30i and M40i are the same vehicle, but the M40 comes with a more expensive engine, and more things standard than the 30i.

Whether its "worth it" (which is the only debate one can have on this topic) is dependent on what individual wants from the vehicle. These debates about engines always turn out the same way on car forums (not just BMW).

People who bought the higher end model will say that its worth it (because they bought it). People who didnt decided that for them, it wasnt. I still dont see what can be debated about engine size and worth on this topic.
Agreed. No reason to debate engine size is right. Years ago I got into a 4 or 6cyl A6.... felt sluggish. Bought the V8. Same with the 06 and 2014 X3. Got the 3 liter. As for the M .... always wanted one.
 

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FWIW, we did decide to replace her leased X5d with an X3 M40i as I said we might in my first post in this thread. We are getting one that is pretty loaded as we tend to like vehicle options (and I like all the safety tech, makes me feel better about her driving around).

Our X3 M40 MSRP is 67,390, which is more than the cost of the entry level new X5, but her current X5 is also loaded (MSRP north of 75k for an X5d), so in effect she would be losing options (as well as losing size) if we did not get the options.

She loved (loved) the car on the test drive, wanted the smaller size, and said it would be easier to navigate parking lots and such. She (and I) absolutely do... not..."need" the extra speed from the M40i but the enthusiast in me likes it, and she also likes to "get up N go" sometimes. She had a huge grin on her face when she test drove it. I didnt even test drive it actually, as how she felt about it was more important to me than how I felt about it, even though we both will drive both of our cars.

To answer the thread, for me the M40 is absolutely worth it, but I think there is zero wrong with the 30i. We like the bigger engine (and like the noise of the bigger engine), and optioned the way we like them, the difference in price is closer to 5k to 5500 (once you put the same options on an 30i equivalent to how we have the 40i specced).
 

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FWIW, we did decide to replace her leased X5d with an X3 M40i as I said we might in my first post in this thread. We are getting one that is pretty loaded as we tend to like vehicle options (and I like all the safety tech, makes me feel better about her driving around).

Our X3 M40 MSRP is 67,390, which is more than the cost of the entry level new X5, but her current X5 is also loaded (MSRP north of 75k for an X5d), so in effect she would be losing options (as well as losing size) if we did not get the options.

She loved (loved) the car on the test drive, wanted the smaller size, and said it would be easier to navigate parking lots and such. She (and I) absolutely do... not..."need" the extra speed from the M40i but the enthusiast in me likes it, and she also likes to "get up N go" sometimes. She had a huge grin on her face when she test drove it. I didnt even test drive it actually, as how she felt about it was more important to me than how I felt about it, even though we both will drive both of our cars.

To answer the thread, for me the M40 is absolutely worth it, but I think there is zero wrong with the 30i. We like the bigger engine (and like the noise of the bigger engine), and optioned the way we like them, the difference in price is closer to 5k to 5500 (once you put the same options on an 30i equivalent to how we have the 40i specced).
Congrats. What***8217;s in it. Color? Gonna love it. Everyday is day one. I leave it in sport mode. I***8217;m 71.. I need all the action and excitement I can get. Only regret is I don***8217;t drive it enough. Just give me a reason to go on an errand.
 

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Congrats. What's in it. Color? Gonna love it. Everyday is day one. I leave it in sport mode. I'm 71.. I need all the action and excitement I can get. Only regret is I don't drive it enough. Just give me a reason to go on an errand.
:rofl:

She wanted the Blue (phytonic blue?) with the black leather with blue stitching. We are getting all options except ventilated seats (because of the difference in bolstering / comfort in the ventilated vs non ventilated seats) and trailer hitch (as we have no toys to tow).. Oh and no manual built in shades as I will be getting 3m crystalline tint on it.

We dont have it yet, its on order and just started production. Looking like Mid Jan. We will have 2 blue cars in the garage, as I just replaced my blue 2016 435 with a blue tesla model 3 performance edition.
 

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:rofl:

She wanted the Blue (phytonic blue?) with the black leather with blue stitching. We are getting all options except ventilated seats (because of the difference in bolstering / comfort in the ventilated vs non ventilated seats) and trailer hitch (as we have no toys to tow).. Oh and no manual built in shades as I will be getting 3m crystalline tint on it.

We dont have it yet, its on order and just started production. Looking like Mid Jan. We will have 2 blue cars in the garage, as I just replaced my blue 2016 435 with a blue tesla model 3 performance edition.
Nice...love that Blue. You won't miss the vented seats....they are worthless. It's hers huh...like my wife's Macan S is hers. We are married men sir. Never forget that. It means HALF.
 

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Nice...love that Blue. You won't miss the vented seats....they are worthless. It's hers huh...like my wife's Macan S is hers. We are married men sir. Never forget that. It means HALF.
Haha, yeah we both drive both cars, but the tesla is "mine" and the X3 will be "hers". She is not currently working (she got laid off last year and we sort of decided she could stay at home since she had some carpal tunnel issues), so I drive both cars to work to split miles on them.

My commute to work is 70 miles round trip so this ensures we have somewhat equal miles on both cars. Only had the tesla a week and its like driving a go cart (like when you go to one of those go cart places like K1 speed or something).

Anyway, She is excited for it.. more excited than she was getting the X5 in fact.
 

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Thanks to all of you providing feedback. I have a (hopefully) less subjective question regarding the X3 30i vs M40i.

From your experience, how well do the two models hold their CC or ACC settings on the highway? Does it hold the set speed reasonably well when encountering hills and rolling terrain? I realize sport/eco/comfort modes will have an effect, but I'm hoping one doesn't have to leave it in sport mode just to maintain a consistent highway cruising speed or ACC following distance behind another vehicle.
 

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Thats actually a good question, I would like to hear the answer to. From what I read earlier about ACC with stop N go on the X3 (maybe the other board?) was that it sort of "ping ponged" in the lane back and forth instead of staying centered in the lane. Now that I think about it, I dont remember if that was the X3 or the new 5 series but it was one of those, both BMW products so probably behave similarly.

I ordered it anyway on for our X3 but am interested in the feedback on it as well.
 

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For me the difference is more like $11K with a minimally optioned M40i (Leather, Premium, HK) tallying $62K vs. $51K for a similarly configured 30i before negotiation. I'll probably opt for the 30i based on the positive comments above and the fact it's a lot cheaper. Just wish we had a better blue option, Phytonic is cool but I wish we could get Long Beach Blue as a standardly available color (have to special order). The Volvo XC60 I also was looking at has a totally cool blue called Bursting Blue as one of it's standard colors (requires RDesign trim). It's a bit brighter and more eye-catching. Thanks for all the comments.
 

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For the 3.0 and how well it holds it's speed, as stated earlier in the thread, I had the N54 i6 in the 08 335i. surprisingly, this is holding its speed as well as the 335. I have not had it in the mountains or anything, but there is still enough torque and the transmission is smooth enough that either I never feel it, or it pulls the hills in high gear with having the bleed speed. Typical BMW experience.
 

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From your experience, how well do the two models hold their CC or ACC settings on the highway?
(The two models should be the same, given identical options.)

If you spend any significant amount of time in stop-and-go traffic, the Active Cruise Control (ACC) will save your mind: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1488325. It's a must have for those people who live in that traffic.

The Lane Keeping Assistant, on the other hand, does ping-pong between the lines. However, some people think that it might have gotten better over time, although there's no real proof: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1560576
 

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(The two models should be the same, given identical options.)

If you spend any significant amount of time in stop-and-go traffic, the Active Cruise Control (ACC) will save your mind: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1488325. It's a must have for those people who live in that traffic.

The Lane Keeping Assistant, on the other hand, does ping-pong between the lines. However, some people think that it might have gotten better over time, although there's no real proof: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1560576
Thanks for the links, I was not sure where I read the "ping ponging" comments. The lane keeping assist / Cruise control suite of options is something that I really like about the tesla model 3 I just got to replace my 435. It does hold the center of the lane very well. The other thing it does well is, you can see "what the car sees" on the big tablet it has. That goes a long way in making you aware of what the car sees in the cameras it has (and it has like 8 cameras around it).

I dont expect the X3 to perform like the tesla even though we got all the auto stuff on the X3 as well. If anyone is interested, when we get the X3 in january, I can come back and compare the two from a usability standpoint.

I hesitate to do that only because the second anyone says "tesla" on these boards, it normally turns into something other than a compare and contrast of drivability and into something else.... but if people are interested in an opinion of the two cruise control systems I would be happy to give impressions when I have both cars and have some seat time in them.
 

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Well, I don't know how it compares to a Tesla, but the Active Cruise Control is awesome in stop-and-go traffic. It's not quite perfect, but it's very nice. Of course, you do have to be on your toes (e.g., 60MPH ACC is a Bad Idea when entering a tight cloverleaf turn).

I think many (most?) of us aren't impressed by BMW's lane keeping assistant (and the steering wheel "vibration" is virtually unnoticeable for many of us).

Edit: for Tesla vs BMW, see this: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1541574
 

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Well, I don't know how it compares to a Tesla, but the Active Cruise Control is awesome in stop-and-go traffic. It's not quite perfect, but it's very nice. Of course, you do have to be on your toes (e.g., 60MPH ACC is a Bad Idea when entering a tight cloverleaf turn).

I think many (most?) of us aren't impressed by BMW's lane keeping assistant (and the steering wheel "vibration" is virtually unnoticeable for many of us).

Edit: for Tesla vs BMW, see this: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1541574
The thing about that is, that reveiw was in october I think. The system has been updated since then. Tesla rolls out updates like your smartphone gets updates which is unlike just about any other car manufacturer.

I am not 100% sure of when version 9 rolled out, because I just got my Model 3 in november... but I DO know that they turned on more of the already installed cameras and made significant changes to the system.

The BMW system will likely be what it is throughout the life of the car, while the tesla one will be updated regularly (for better, or worse, however one feels about that).

Anyway, I am excited to have it on my wifes car as well (back to BMW as I was not trying to derail this thread).
 

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Oh, I've no doubt that Tesla's system will be better in the long run.

Tesla owners have come to expect periodic software updates. General BMW owners, not so much. Besides, BMW's bean counters try to squeeze and eliminate "unnecessary frills". Why would they waste money on "software upgrades" unless they're safety- or emissions-related? They have our money and "software upgrades" are just lost profit (well, BMW does seem to occasionally tweak the software and improve it, but the improvements are not easy to get). Unlike Tesla, BMW's also screwed by having constantly-changing hardware platforms (computer, instrument cluster, and probably sensors).
 

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I got my Model 3 in June. The big software update (V9?) that occurred a couple months ago made a HUGE difference in quality of autopilot. The software updates are so cool. I got one last night but I haven't gotten a chance to look at the release notes to see what it happened. I do like being able to initiate the update from my phone now, instead of having to start it from the car.
 

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Just an fyi, you can order the ACC without having to order the safety package that includes it, then you don’t have to deal with Lane Keep Assist.


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