Well, things are a little "different" in Texas arn't they? So, by the last paragraph, you pack'in? Do you mean A car, or YOUR car?Cruzer said:
My suggestion: if you are in my "hood", do not get out of your car in anger and approach my car at all, for any reason. You're likely to be taking a dirt nap soon thereafter.
Same here in New York beleive it or not . . . we just have a bad reputation . . .geomax said:
In Boston, there's so much frigg'in red tape to get a gun, and your record has to be spotless - I mean ajax clean. And even if you do get a permit to carry and conceal, people would flip out if they saw you with a gun. Yet all the crooks have'em.
Please don't take this wrongly. I think it is important that people understand the circumstances under which they visit our wonderful state. When you are here, do not pull that "road rage" shiite or you will be risking your life.geomax said:
Well, things are a little "different" in Texas arn't they? So, by the last paragraph, you pack'in? Do you mean A car, or YOUR car?
I used to live in Vermont for a couple of years, and I was just amazed how easy it was to buy a gun. They sold them at the local gas stations next to the beef jerky, for cripes sake. 30-30's, 30-06, whatever cannon fits the bill. Handguns I think you had to wait 3 days, but thats it. Nothing unusual about gun racks in the pickups either - rarely saw just one hanging there - more likey 2 or 3.Alan F said:
Same here in New York beleive it or not . . . we just have a bad reputation . . .
Oh, I know - and I didn't. I was just kidding around. Texas IS different. I've only been there once, to the Dallas Fort Worth area. Unfortunately, didn't have much time to take in the sites. Did get over to Fort Worth to check out the Stock Yards. But there were tons of other places i wanted to see. They looked so close on the map, but damn - Texas is BIG!!Cruzer said:
Please don't take this wrongly. I think it is important that people understand the circumstances under which they visit our wonderful state. When you are here, do not pull that "road rage" shiite or you will be risking your life.
Now to answer your question, here's my favorite German beauty:
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Yes. I am licensed to carry. You gotta love Vermont. Only state where concealed carry is an absolute right, no license required.
That's just the news. Vermont has the fourth lowest homicide rate per capita after the Dakotas and Idaho, and 25% lower than Massachussetts.geomax said:Vermont has also been in the news a lot for a number of homicides and other shootings....guess people are getting a little impatient to a little hunt'in...
Alan, you are 100% correct on this one. There are too many crazy people out there with loaded pistols in their cars, personality disorders, and short tempers. I know this for a fact - I'm a lawyer and I've represented people like this before. Some of the cops I know have told me to NEVER stare anyone down, give anyone the finger, or block another car who is trying to cut you off, because they very well may have a weapon.Alan F said:Guys . . . there are consequences to not letting people in the lane or staring people down . . . most of the time it's nothing but sometimes it's a guy who tailgates you, other times it's an idiot who follows you, sometimes they key the car, etc. etc.
Just hope the A--hole isn't carrying a gun and decides to use it.
What do you need to prove yourself to this inconsiderate guy/kid for ? ?
I see no reason in the world to go out of my way to start trouble with people. When you guys come across idiots like this, just say to yourself that this idiot will get their's one day when they mess with the wrong guy . . . do you want to be THAT guy ?
Who the H*ll wants to be THAT guy, he's the one that ends up getting arrested and that little 5 minute incident now becomes a 5 month to 3 yr incident between getting charges pressed against you, getting sued for assault, possible Jail time, etc.
So next time you see that dummy who starts trouble, think to yourself that he has the problem not you and let it be HIS problem.
We all hear about crazy things on the news . . . let it be other people that go through that crap . . . we have our own families and friends to watch out for.
Ahh, so you're a lawyer...good, got a question for ya. Say the guy who got in Nicks face wasn't going to back down...from a legal viewpoint, what wouild Nick options be? What would be the best course of action to take??Dan said:
Alan, you are 100% correct on this one. There are too many crazy people out there with loaded pistols in their cars, personality disorders, and short tempers. I know this for a fact - I'm a lawyer and I've represented people like this before. Some of the cops I know have told me to NEVER stare anyone down, give anyone the finger, or block another car who is trying to cut you off, because they very well may have a weapon.
I follow that advice now - if someone is acting like an a**hole, I just say to myself, "better them than me", and let them go about their merry way. Believe me, what goes around, comes around - those jerks will get theirs one day. Be safe out there.
Brownish Isuzu Trooper, early nineties.
Truly good advice. On my drive to and from work, there are several turning lanes where people purposely take the outside lane (to move up in line) and then cut the other people off to make it onto the freeway on-ramp (we all know places like this). It really takes a lot of patience to stay calm, because everyone knows these a*sholes are jumping ahead of everyone else willing to take the orderly route.Dan said:I follow that advice now - if someone is acting like an a**hole, I just say to myself, "better them than me", and let them go about their merry way. Believe me, what goes around, comes around - those jerks will get theirs one day. Be safe out there.
See, there's the rub. A lot of this discussion is just semantics if you find yourself in this kind of position. You're about to get pounded...what "method" do you use -and this was my question to Dan- that has the least legal and personal consequences to BOTH parties?Cruzer said:
In the unlikely event you are cornered, consider whether you want it to be him or you, and choose your method of self-defense accordingly.
Well, my 2 cents: If you know what the other person is bringing to the party, then pick a better weapon. If you don't know what the other person is bringing to the party, then bring a gun. In the vast majority of self-defense incidents where a gun is brandished, it is never fired (like over 97% of incidents). I would rather be fully prepared, and survive, than to be caught by surprise (mace is good, but no match for a gun). Talking about this is like talking about wills and life insurance, nobody wants to talk about it, but nobody wants to be caught uprepared.geomax said:See, there's the rub. A lot of this discussion is just semantics if you find yourself in this kind of position. You're about to get pounded...what "method" do you use -and this was my question to Dan- that has the least legal and personal consequences to BOTH parties?
Thats the best .02 I've heard all day.Cruzer said:
Talking about this is like talking about wills and life insurance, nobody wants to talk about it, but nobody wants to be caught uprepared.
Geo: the answer varies depending upon the state you live in, so I can't give specific recommendations. The best thing to do would have been to call 911 back when Nick noticed the as*hole was following him. The 2nd best thing to do would have been to call 911 when the guy blocked the door. That's why you have a cell phone. 99% of these jerks will run when you call the police. Nick did the 3rd best thing - leave peacefully and avoid a fight.geomax said:
got a question for ya. Say the guy who got in Nicks face wasn't going to back down...from a legal viewpoint, what wouild Nick options be? What would be the best course of action to take??
SteveT said:I had an interesting experience one morning while going to work. There is a spot beyond a light that narrows from four lanes to two, much as Geo has experienced. I was in the yield lane (right), but I accelerated to move ahead of the car on the left. The Toyota CRV (with a flag and multiple stickers attached) was not about to give up the space without a race. I was slightly ahead, but not going to chop them of. While somewhat annoyed by the process, I looked at the woman riding in the passenger's seat and she produced a camera pointed directly at me. It was a strange feeling. She was aggitated, but nothing really happened except a short drag race. It seemed like a setup. They wanted me to try for the spot in front of them and they were going to be beligerent about it and somehow photograph me. We came to a light later, where I was going to turn right and as I went by I gave them another look and she produced the camera again. I guess she expected a familiar gesture (and it crossed my mind), but I just looked. Don't know what these people thought they were up to. I've seen the car since in the same place, but without the passenger.
