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Dealership Claims Drivetrain Malfunction Transmission Failure Not Covered by Warranty

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#1 · (Edited)
Greetings -- I'm a first-time poster seeking the advice of the Bimmerfest community about my leased 2014 328ix with 16K miles. Thank you in advance for your replies. Summary of my issue (long):

On Monday Aug 15 a "Drivetrain Malfunction, Drive Moderately" message came on the iDrive screen while driving the car. Afterward, the automatic transmission did not shift into the upper gear range. After arriving at moderate speed to my destination, I turned the car off and later back on again for the return trip home. On the return trip, the car shifted through the entire gear range normally, however the same iDrive message was present and the engine light appeared. While returning home, I contacted my dealership and was transferred to a woman who asked questions about the service problem I was experiencing, created a service appointment for the next day, and asked me if I had any other concerns about the car.

On the drive to the dealership the morning of the next day, August 16, the car shifted through the entire gear range normally however the same iDrive message and engine light were present. I met with the service consultant and recounted all of the details I've just described in addition to explaining the car popped out of reverse gear, which I have since learned is a chronic problem for BMW transmissions.

At the vehicle drop-off consultation in the dealership, the service consultant stated that it was probably only a bad sensor.

On Monday August 22 the service consultant explained that a part was ordered and that the service technicians were in the process of replacing the 'valve body' in the transmission.

On the following day, Tuesday August 23, the service consultant called and stated the part replacement did not fix the issue, and that the car still popped out of reverse gear after the new part was installed. He stated that the repair technicians had decided the next step was to replace the entire transmission, and that a new transmission was being ordered but would take until the end of the week to arrive. He confirmed that the installation of a new transmission was fully covered under the BMW warranty.

On Friday August 26, the service consultant called and stated there was a 'situation' and asked if I had ever had an accident with the car that could have damaged the transmission. I told him I had never had an accident with the car. He asked if I "bottomed out" while coming out of my driveway, and I told him that I did not. He stated that BMW was not going to pay for the cost of the repair under BMW warranty, and that I should contact my insurance company. He stated that the nature of the transmission failure was due to an "impact" and that I could come to the dealership and see for myself. I demanded to speak with anyone with authority in the dealership immediately, but the service consultant said there was no one available but would ask the Assistant Service Manager call me back.

I did not receive a call from the Assistant Service Manager but in the next 90 minutes I arrived at the dealership to personally inspect the failed transmission. While there, I met on the shop floor with the Assistant Service Manager, the Service Manager and the Shop Floor manager where we discussed the transmission failure and where I took high-resolution photographs of the transmission, transmission cover, and under carriage of the vehicle while it was in the air. These photographs show, to use the same wording the Shop Foreman used during our meeting, a "very clean" under carriage with "no visible signs of impact." The photographs also document what appears to be a stress or fatigue fracture, or manufacturer's defect, running across the assembled transmission unit as well as a small missing section of the casting near a threaded bolt hole on the other side of the unit.

The dealership has contacted BMW NA Engineering for an analysis of the cause. During our meeting, the Service Manager stated that a BMW NA Engineering representative will visit the dealership and inspect the failed component in person.

I've uploaded some of my own photos of the missing section of casting around the threaded bolt hole, a crack caused by stress, fatigue or manufacturer defect on the top of the component, and unblemished protective coverings of the transmission/crankcase. Note the detail in the photo of the underside of the housing, which the shop foreman claims was fully exposed (and not protected by any covering). The photo details a complete lack of scratches, scrape marks or any other evidence of "impact" anywhere on the underside of the unit including anywhere near the area of breakage and indeed details an undisturbed patina of corrosion which would surely highlight the presence of scratches or scrapes from a supposed "impact."

My question and plea for help: What are my options if BMW NA Engineering does not conclude that the failure is due to a defective part? Any other suggestions appreciated. Thank you.
 

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#2 ·
WOW...quite a crack around the transmission. in the first picture, is that missing piece rattling around the engine or did it drop to the street?
 
#3 ·
According to the Service Manager, the missing piece of casting surrounded a threaded bolt hole only used on vehicles outside of the US market. In other words, there was no bolt associated with the hole near the missing casting. No telling where the missing casting piece went: either it was never there in the first place, or broke off due to vibration (?), defective casting (?), or being dropped on the shop floor (?). It is external to the transmission so could not be inside it.
 
#4 ·
is the internal area where the metal broke off 'clean'? As in clean non-dirty non-exposed metal. Basically trying to figure out if the casting broke off on the shop floor when it was just dropped (so it would be clean since not exposed to elements of driving) OR dirty? As in the casting had broken off while driving so would be exposed to driving and probably dirty inside.
 
#5 ·
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Ummmmm. Since when do BMW dealer techs do surgery on transmissions? Past policy: R&R whole unit. So. Did you see the valve body?

Moving on....get ahold of a materials engineer to investigate the crack propagation - micrographs; experienced professional opinion. Kinda eclipses any eyeball look-see and certainly any grease monkey. National Association of Corrosion Engineers might be a good place to start.

Yo.
 
#6 · (Edited)
I think the photograph provides the best answer which, in my view, is totally 'clean.' The casting around the bolt hole, including whatever casting is missing, is an external part of the transmission housing. According to the shop floor manager, this area is also 'exposed' but as you can see from the photo the area is pristine and lacks any sign of an "impact".
 
#8 ·
I think the photograph provides the best answer which, in my view, is totally 'clean.' The casting around the bolt hole, including whatever casting is missing, is an external part of the transmission housing. According to the shop floor manager, this area is also 'exposed' but as you can see from the photo the area is pristine and lacks any sign of an "impact" which is the claim being made by the dealership eg., no scratches, scrapes, or -- throughout the rest of the car under carriage -- any other visible signs of "impact."
that's what it looks like based on the provided pictures. when is the BMW NA engineer coming to the shop to see the car? I would suggest being there when the engineer is there too.
 
#7 ·
Thanks -- did not see the valve body, but have a saved voice mail message from the dealership stating they performed this. I like your suggestion of material engineer and crack propagation. I will pursue this route if BMW NA engineering claims in their analysis that this was caused by an "impact."
 
#11 ·
Thanks -- interesting theory I hadn't considered. The car has only been serviced by the dealership (oil changes, recall for fuel pump replacement). Do you know if during these repair procedures it is plausible that a BMW service tech could have used a jack inappropriately that may have either a) broken the external transmission housing (photo 1) or b) initiated a crack in the housing which propagated over time?
 
#14 ·
I'm going to predict that when the BMW field engineer examines the transmission housing he will authorize a new transmission, replaced under warranty. Sorry to hear you're having to mess with all of this.
 
#17 ·
I wouldn't say that the dealer is trying to avoid a warranty claim. They get paid for it just the same as if you paid the repair out of your own pocket, so it's in the dealer's interest to have stuff paid by the warranty to avoid wasting time as has already happened. Definitely try to be there in person when the BMW rep is there, that's the guy that will make this either really easy or really hard for you.
 
#20 · (Edited)
The first picture shows a 'chunk' missing from the casting. No bolt is used in this hole for North American market cars. As this part of the housing is an exposed part of the under carriage of the vehicle, I would expect to see some telltale scratches or scrapes associated with an impact. I'm trying to ascertain what did actually cause this drivetrain failure and whether the missing piece from the casting is a result of the failure, cause of the failure, or unrelated to the failure. The failure I'm referring to is the crack on the opposite side of the component.
 
#21 ·
Got it, so the missing chunk is on one side of the component, while the long crack is on the other side of the same component. The same component cannot be located in mine(328i), my guess is the impact on the missing chunk may possibly stress out the whole component and cause the cracks. Hopefully the BMW field engineer will sign off on the repair.
 
#25 · (Edited)
In the 1960's I had a Buick Special that had a defective weld on a bushing on an A-arm. The Buick service department could not find the problem. A Plymouth dealer that I knew found it, but they could not get satisfaction from GM. Fortunately, the repair that I had to pay for was less than replacing a transmission.

I am glad to see that both your dealer and BMW-USA are treating you better. I have never bought another GM vehicle. All of us on this thread will want to know how BMW resolves this.
 
#31 ·
So when you went to the dealer to see the car, was the service adviser there with you? Since they claim that there was scrap marks, I would asking the SA to show you where these scrap marks are...

It's getting to a point that recording conversations (for quality purposes) is needed to protect the consumer from fraud.