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INPA vs Rheingold?

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#1 ·
What are the differences between the two? Can I still have INPA (and NCS) installed while using Rheingold? It is my understanding that Rheingold does not do coding, so I would keep using NCS for that. Would I need a new cable? I currently use a K+DCAN USB to OBDII cable.

Also does Rheingold work for E39s and Pre-2000 cars with the 20 pin underhood port?
 
#2 · (Edited)
ISTA/D (aka Rheingold) is current dealership diagnostic software for all Exx and Fxx cars. ISTA/D is the replacement for older dealership DIS diagnostic software. Likewise, ISTA/P is the replacement for older delaership SSS Progman programming software. ISTA/P & ISTA/D are designed to be used with an ICOM Interface, and with full ICOM-A-B-C, you can connect to older cars. The ICOM "C" Connection is for the older BMW ADS 20-pin round "Pacman" connector in Engine Bay. You can find versions of ISTA/D with an ICOM Emulator builtin, that allows you to use it with an ENET Interface for Fxx cars and a DCAN Interface for Exx cars. I don't know for sure, as I do not do any Exx work, but I doubt ICOM Emulator would work for older ADS connector.

INPA (interpreter for test procedures) is older factory floor diagnostic software, designed to run test procedures. While INPA can be set for English User Interface, most of the Test Procedures, which can be difficult to find, are in German.

Between the two, ISTA/D is simply a better option. It has a modern interface, is 100% English (or available in a multiple other languages), and is complete in that it does not require additional Test Procedures.

You can have ISTA/P & ISTA/D installed on laptop aside INPA, WinKFP, and INPA without any issues.
 
#10 ·
Shawn,
Can you provide some advice on what to use for diagnostics on my 2011 X3 xDrive28i?
Also can you provide me link to download the software?

Thanks in advance.
desiGeek.
You should use ISTA/D (Rheingold) but I do not have link for it. It is easy enough to find though.
 
#12 · (Edited)
All Rheingold versions have native support for Ediabas 7.x, this option just needs to be activated from istagui config file. I can check the parameter later. This means that K+DCAN can be used directly with Rheingold, as long as the Ediabas (which comes with BMW Standard Tools) is configured for this interfaces. Setting for Ediabas.ini can be found in Rheingold settings, under VCI tab (if the config file has been configured correctly). If the interface works with INPA or Tool32, then it works with Rheingold too.

ADS interface is not supported, as Rheingold requires Ediabas 7.x, and only Ediabas 6.x and older has ADS support. So to use Rheingold with ADS cars, ICOM is mandatory. ADS cars are E36, E34, beginnig of E38 production and all chassis models that are older than these. E39, E46 and later E38, and all chassis models made after these are equiped with K-line or D-CAN, so K+DCAN cable (combinated interface that has both K-line and D-CAN) is good for these cars. F-series cars can use K+DCAN for diagnosis and ENET for diagnosis + coding and programming.

There are 20-pin connectors in engine compartment on all cars made approximately before year 2000, even if they have OBD-2 connector too. If there are both of these connectors available, then 20-pin must be used as OBD-2 is then connected only to DME/DDE and EGS. 20-pin connector type is K-line or ADS, depending on the chassis model. If it is K-line, then K+DCAN and obd-20pin adapter can be used.

There is also ADS interface available, it can be used with INPA on ADS cars. It can be found from E-bay, and it is called Tiny ADS. This ADS thing talks directly to COM-port i/o memory addresses, so laptop must have native COM port. USB-COM adapter will not work, period. Of course ICOM can handle these cars via ethernet connection, even with INPA. To configure ICOM to work with Ediabas, I-tool radar is used to check ICOM ip address and then EasyConnect can be used to configure ediabas and to lock the ICOM.
 
#20 ·
Pleas educate me re: Software legality (OK, it is piracy).

The REAL version (ISTA, ICOM Next etc.) from BMW dealers costs thousands of $, and you have to prove that you are a shop before the dealer sells you.

The average car owners simply cannot spend thousands of $ to diagnose the occasional problems.
I assume that all software sold on ebay or other online places are Chinese clones (I may be wrong).
My question is: as an "average" car owners, what are my options other than buying the ebay version, which is presumably pirated version, to fix my cars?

Is BMW going after the ebay sellers?
Maybe not, they are too busy making new cars?
 
#21 ·
ICOM Next does not cost thousands of dollars and if you have good relationship with service department, an original OEM can be ordered through parts department. Alternatively, you could get ICOM A2 (genuine or clone) from reputable seller.

ISTA+

I have no idea what BMW legal is or is not doing, so I will not speculate.
 
#23 ·
This thread is about comparing two Diagnostic programs, not requesting software. There is a thousand other threads for that.
 
#24 ·
Inpa ista d or icom

Hi Shawnsheridan , I'm new to Bimmerfest, I hope you can help me here, I have a 2011 F10 and a 2000 E39, I'm looking into buying ICOM or ISTA, I want to get something that will cover both cars for testing, maintenance and coding, I've been looking online and I found some setups on eBay for INPA ISTA D that says that covers up to 2016 for about $350, what would you recommend, something like that or ICOM also heard that you don't want to buy a clone, but it seems that most of the ones available are, I'm looking for something that'll do the job and reliable, I'm having some DSC issues with the E39 that happened after battery replacement and the old INPA that I have does not work very well, also I want to try to do some coding to my F10 as well, I hope you can help, Thanks
 
#25 ·
Hi Shawnsheridan , I'm new to Bimmerfest, I hope you can help me here, I have a 2011 F10 and a 2000 E39, I'm looking into buying ICOM or ISTA, I want to get something that will cover both cars for testing, maintenance and coding, I've been looking online and I found some setups on eBay for INPA ISTA D that says that covers up to 2016 for about $350, what would you recommend, something like that or ICOM also heard that you don't want to buy a clone, but it seems that most of the ones available are, I'm looking for something that'll do the job and reliable, I'm having some DSC issues with the E39 that happened after battery replacement and the old INPA that I have does not work very well, also I want to try to do some coding to my F10 as well, I hope you can help, Thanks
If you want meaningful Diagnosis in English, for both E-Series and F-Series cars, you need ISTA/D (Rheingold) and you can request it here:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=827223

For Coding, you need different Tools, NCS Expert / SP-Daten for E-Series and E-Sys / PSdZData for F-Series.

All Diagnosis and Coding can be done with cheap DCAN Cable for E-Series and cheap ENET Cable for F-Series.

For Programming (Flashing ECU's with new Firmware), then you need ISTA/P for for both E-Series and F-Series cars, or you can use WinKFP for E-Series and E-Sys for F-Series. For E-Series Programming, you will need an ICOM, but for F-Series Programming, you can use ENET Cable.
 
#27 ·
Hi again Shawn, I've been looking to get an ICOM, I was looking at rheingoldusa.com kits from Utah, which says that are "certified" and made in USA (don't know if that is true) or the one from yohotech.com clone from china seems like, prices vary, can you help me out here and tell me if it's worth to buy any of those, thanks
 
#28 · (Edited)
No, sorry. I have no opinion on ICOM Hardware manufacturers. Unless you are Programming an E-Series car, one isn't really needed. I think I would favor one made in Utah over one made in China though. :)
 
#34 ·
shawnsheridan . . . I am very new at this . . . planning to upgrade from a very basic OBD reader to something better that can read more OBD2 PIDs.

Is Carly PRO a good option for me? More specifically (dumb question) does Carly PRO read the same number of PIDs as ISTA/D (Rheingold)?

My needs are mainly monitoring various PIDs, some resetting/registering (battery, etc) and occasional manual DPF regen.

I have no programming needs.

Thanks.
 
#35 ·
I do no know much of anything about iCarly, as I don't use it myself, but it will be nowhere near as complete as ISTA/D (Rheingold).
 
#38 ·
^ Yes I saw a few screen shots of ISTA/D (Rheingold) . . . the issue is not the user-friendliness of ISTA/D, it has to do with its need for a laptop . . . for monitoring purposes on a near daily basis (fire it up when sitting in traffic, or on a long trip with nothing better to do, etc) laptop is quite inconvenient.

I wish ISTA/D had an iPad version . . . no programming capabilities but can monitor all the PIDs in the laptop version ... and to the extent possible keep the UI/graphics the same . . .
 
#50 ·
#51 ·
Ista+ usage

I have just purchased the latest version of ista+ rheingold and it has installed and seems to be working fine on my laptop im using a k&dcan adaptor for working on an x5 e53, i can read and use all the functions except when you try and reset faults it asks you to turn off ignition and remove key and this seems to have no effect.

I also have inpa and this seems to work fine it detects both batt and ign lines and they switch on and off as required.

Can someone give me some help with this problem please.
 
#52 ·
I have just purchased the latest version of ista+ rheingold and it has installed and seems to be working fine on my laptop im using a k&dcan adaptor for working on an x5 e53, i can read and use all the functions except when you try and reset faults it asks you to turn off ignition and remove key and this seems to have no effect.

I also have inpa and this seems to work fine it detects both batt and ign lines and they switch on and off as required.

Can someone give me some help with this problem please.
You would need program like Voltage Control if you plan to use K+DCAN as it cannot detect terminal change.