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Old 07-25-2013, 12:16 PM
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What it really takes for a CIC retrofit.. (DIY, Complete! Coding files included!)

Update 8/20/2013: I tried to go through and add part numbers to everything. These are done to the best of my ability, but please do your own research to be sure!!

So, I decided I was going to do a CCC retrofit, but the further I got into researching parts, the more I realized I might as well just do a CIC retrofit for about the same price. I've seen threads on this, but none that really made it as cut and dry as it probably should be, so hopefully this thread helps.

All my parts are starting to come in, so here my thread on it:

Here's what you need (will be updated as I go):

BMW made parts:
-CIC unit - $1000 on eBay, (65129199616 I think) included other parts noted below (actually I bought it outside of eBay to get the price lower, but that's not really the best idea usually)
-Display ("CID") - Included (65829224346)
-iDrive controller (optional) - Included (65829240957)
-Connector to hook up new iDrive controller - Included (Tyco/TE 968813) - available at http://www.onlinecomponents.com/te-c...tml?p=43816490 Edit 9/15: I believe BMW part number 61138380696 is the same and will work as well
-CID CAN/power connector (61136954526) - Included
-CIC cable, connects to CID for video signal (61119185171) - $38.50
-USB Port (61319167196) - $26.99
-USB Port cable (61129196805) - These are back ordered so I ordered two of the CIC video cables and shaved part of the connector to make it work. Will report back if any issues doing this Update 8-6-13: THIS DID NOT WORK!!- Update 8-13-13: I WAS WRONG. IT WORKED JUST FINE.$38.50 (correct version is cheaper but back ordered until mid-August. Update 8-6-13: ECS Tuning has these in stock now. I'm going to send back one of the video cables (the one I didn't modify obviously) and have already ordered the correct cable. It will be here Thursday.. Until then I'm stuck with European maps, lol.
-Trim piece around iDrive controller (comes from the 6 series model) - Included (51169169999)
-Trim piece that goes around the CIC slot - Included (51456976361 for black, must have lower piece from CCC, existing piece is fine if available)

-Optional: LCI climate control assembly (buttons are slightly larger to better fit the CIC trim) - did not purchase this, but I found one for $129 I'm thinking about buying

Aftermarket Parts:
-CAN emulator to activate navigation, etc. without paying BMW big bucks for their activation codes (find on eBay) - $100
-Updated 2013 maps (find online, put them on a 32GB USB drive) - Free
-FSC code for updating maps (find on internet for < $50) - $49 Update 8-6-13: Received my FSC code, but you can't put it in until the system detects a USB drive with the map update on it.. and my USB port doesn't work yet due to trying to make a video cable work, SO, I can only hope this code is valid (SEE UPDATE). UPDATE: THE CABLE WASN'T THE PROBLEM. THE ISSUE IS THE SOFTWARE ON MY CIC IS TOO OLD TO UTILIZE USB TO UPDATE THE MAPS. I HAVE TO USE 2012 DVD'S FOR NOW
-"FAKRA" GPS antenna. (ebay, $15 or less if you're willing to wait on a shipment from China) - $15 (can be had for $5 if you're patient). Update 8/20/13: Not needed if you have CCC prep or CCC. See later posts about the connector in the trunk, TCU, etc.
-Misc stuff from Radio Shack (I bought way too much stuff) - $30

I'll post some pictures as I get into actually doing the retrofit. Hopefully today I will have most of my parts and by Saturday have everything I need to get it installed. I'll post a lot of pictures and everything I do coding wise when trying to get it to work.

Total thus far: $1,297.99 (if my math is right)

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Old 07-25-2013, 12:30 PM
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So, I decided I was going to do a CCC retrofit, but the further I got into researching parts, the more I realized I might as well just do a CIC retrofit for about the same price.
This.
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Old 07-25-2013, 12:43 PM
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:06 PM
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How much did all the parts cost you?
I'm going to add prices in to the original post at some point.. I would guess about $1500

edit: came out to be < $1,300 total so far.. seems like I'm forgetting something, but guess we'll see!

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Old 07-25-2013, 01:16 PM
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I'm going to add prices in to the original post at some point.. I would guess about $1500

edit: came out to be < $1,300 total so far.. seems like I'm forgetting something, but guess we'll see!
Wow, thats not bad compared to the $3000 plus a few sites want for their kit.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:22 PM
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There will need to be some major coding added unless the CIC unit was sold pre-coded to the VIN of your car.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:33 PM
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Wow, thats not bad compared to the $3000 plus a few sites want for their kit.
They also do remote coding for you so there's some value in what they are offering for sure (and finding the bulk of the parts at the price I did took a good bit of time)

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There will need to be some major coding added unless the CIC unit was sold pre-coded to the VIN of your car.
One of the major retrofit companies will do all the coding for $250.. so worst case I'll do that. I think I can figure it out though, just may take a few days of messing/searching the internet on exactly what to do. Weirdest thing is having to tell your car it was made at a later date in order to be able to code the CIC at all. I hope the software in my car is new enough to handle it. I have ISTA/D and /P but don't really want to update the whole car.

I have found some good info on the basics to get started though. The rest just depends on exactly what options my car has vs. the car it came out of

Hopefully I can post what I have to do to get it going and it'll help other people interested in doing it

edit: also, my GPS antenna just showed up. Two more boxes of goodies and I'll be ready to start! (emulator and CIC cable)

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Old 07-25-2013, 01:46 PM
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Next is combox / internet access
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:20 PM
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Cool, subscribed!!! If someone can find an easier and cheaper way of getting this done, I am all for it!!!!! Good luck bro, keep us posted
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:51 PM
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Will do. Everyone here should know by now that I'll find the cheapest way to do something! lol
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:49 PM
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Wow, you are going to the next level in mods, first it was your engine and now this.
Looking forward to this.
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:19 PM
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Thanks--hopefully I don't break anything too bad! I can't decide whether I'm looking forward to cutting up the center console to fit the new idrive controller or not

I almost bought an entire replacement center console for like $100 just so I could do the retrofit on that and keep the original parts untouched. Probably won't do that now though
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:20 PM
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Re: What it really takes for a CIC retrofit.. (DIY, In process)

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So, I decided I was going to do a CCC retrofit, but the further I got into researching parts, the more I realized I might as well just do a CIC retrofit for about the same price. I've seen threads on this, but none that really made it as cut and dry as it probably should be, so hopefully this thread helps.

All my parts are starting to come in, so here my thread on it:

Here's what you need (will be updated as I go):

BMW made parts:
-CIC unit - $1000 on eBay, included other parts noted below (actually I bought it outside of eBay to get the price lower, but that's not really the best idea usually)
-Display ("CID") - Included
-iDrive controller (optional) - Included
-CID CAN/power connector (61136954526) - Included
-CIC cable, connects to CID for video signal (61119185171) - $38.50
-USB Port (61319167196) - $26.99
-USB Port cable (61129196805) - These are back ordered so I ordered two of the CIC video cables and shaved part of the connector to make it work. Will report back if any issues doing this - $38.50 (correct version is cheaper but back ordered until mid-August
-Trim piece around iDrive controller (comes from the 6 series model) - Included
-Trim piece that goes around the CIC slot - Included

-Optional: LCI climate control assembly (buttons are slightly larger to better fit the CIC trim) - did not purchase this, but I found one for $129 I'm thinking about buying

Aftermarket Parts:
-CAN emulator to activate navigation, etc. without paying BMW big bucks for their activation codes (find on eBay) - $100
-Updated 2013 maps (find online, put them on a 32GB USB drive) - Free
-FSC code for updating maps (find on internet for < $50) - $49
-"FAKRA" GPS antenna. (ebay, $15 or less if you're willing to wait on a shipment from China) - $15 (can be had for $5 if you're patient)

I'll post some pictures as I get into actually doing the retrofit. Hopefully today I will have most of my parts and by Saturday have everything I need to get it installed. I'll post a lot of pictures and everything I do coding wise when trying to get it to work.

Total thus far: $1,267.99 (if my math is right)
I plan on doing this next year. Thanks for posting all this good info! Good luck.

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Thanks--hopefully I don't break anything too bad! I can't decide whether I'm looking forward to cutting up the center console to fit the new idrive controller or not

I almost bought an entire replacement center console for like $100 just so I could do the retrofit on that and keep the original parts untouched. Probably won't do that now though
I thought there is a center bezel that's pre cut for the new controller?
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:27 PM
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I thought there is a center bezel that's pre cut for the new controller?
I think there is, but they are relatively rare used, and new ones are crazy expensive. There are some posts on how to make the cuts on some other forums. Will post pics
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:30 PM
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CIC is so worth it! This might end up being cheaper than factory equipped. Good luck to you and the updated interface that awaits.
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:28 PM
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Emulator came in! I added connectors to the ends (soldered them instead of crimping + put heat shrink on them to make them look better). It's setup so that if I remove the emulator later, the original wires will plug right back in to one another with the emulator out of the way.























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Old 07-27-2013, 04:09 AM
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What it really takes for a CIC retrofit.. (DIY, In process)

Awesome project. Looks like you did a lot of homework to do this. Good luck and keep up the great documenting work.


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Old 07-28-2013, 03:21 PM
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The goal for today was to add connectors to the CAN wires where the emulator will splice between the car and CIC. I wanted this setup as neat as possible, and setup so if I went back to the old system (to sell the car for instance), I could just take out the emulator, plug the wires back in and put it back together. If I could do it over again I would find a way to not have to clip any wires, but I didn't feel like waiting for more parts so I just went with doing it this way.

For those of you that don't know, basically the emulator connects between the car and CIC. Used CIC's are already setup / licensed to a particular car's VIN, and I have heard that the activation codes to switch it over to your car the "proper" way is quite expensive (something like $1300 for voice and navigation to be enabled). So, the emulator basically tells the CIC what it wants to hear and makes it think everything is activated, and voila, no need for expensive activation codes. I'm not too sure on the specifics of how that actually works, but evidently it does.

I bought this one on eBay for $85 + $15 for DHL shipping from China (which is INSANELY fast by the way. I ordered it on Wednesday and had it Friday)

Anyways... k, time for lots of pictures.

Pulling wood trim off.. just start at one end and give it a yank every 6 inches or so. The white rectangle things are what holds it on.


Before you pull the trim off, you have to push the hazard / lock button out first so you can disconnect the wire for it. By "push out" I mean push it from behind the dash, towards the rear of the car. The hazard button will come out the front basically, after it's disconnected.


Two screws hold on the cover around the radio/climate control. It also has a few clips--one on mine always seems to get stuck and takes a LOT of force to get off. I cracked some of the plastic in the process this time



Finally got it off. Usually the box at the bottom (has the seat heater buttons) will come out with it, but this time I had twisted the plastic piece so bad it came off. Worked better actually, but not exactly how it's supposed to work..


Cracks on the back of the cover.. oops


OOPS!


Back of MASK


Wiring.. left is main connector, center is for the display, one on the right is for radio antenna


More wires


Here's the business.. back of the main block. The green ones are for the MOST bus. The white and black on the right side of the connector will come out. The only one left will isn't a separate plug, so those wires come out one at a time instead of in a set


Another angle


And another


black/white plugs pulled out to get them out of the way


Everything out except the ones I need to get to.. these we have to pull out one at a time (technically I guess you could leave them in and work on them that way, but I decided to just pull them out to give me good access to them.


another angle


Here's another shot.. the area where the blue thing is is where the wires are we need to get out. We need to remove the blue thing first...


Another angle


Another angle


And another



Push down on the tab (right hand side in the pic) and slide the blue bar out


Here's a picture of the tab


From there, take a small screw driver and push down on the pin.. when you get it right it will slide right out


Here are the two wires I need for the emulator..


These are crimp on connectors, but I don't like crimp on connectors, so I took them apart so I could solder them. Also put heat shrink on the end to make them neater.


Soldered solid..


Another angle, soldered solid


Both wires done


Here's how they'll connect once on the car


Here's adding connectors to the "car" side.. same deal. Soldered + covers put back on + heat shrink


Another shot


I am going to try to use this CCC fan connector (my car has CCC / Nav prep) to power the emulator so I can leave the main power wires to the CIC alone.. I didn't get around to wiring this today though.


Another shot? Not sure why.


Here's everything back together in the "stock" setup. I put the MASK back in today.. didn't have time to do the whole changeover (well, probably did, but didn't think I would so I didn't attempt it)

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WOOHOO, my car already had a GPS antenna wired all the way up front.. that's the green'ish fakra connector. I guess that comes with CCC prep?



Random


Going back together.


And here's the last part I need.. cable to connect CIC to screen


Another


Welp, that's it for now!

Sometime this week I may go ahead and hook it all up and see what happens..

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This is so amazing. Keep it coming!!! Wow
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This is all the easy part.. Really I could have just slapped everything in in an afternoon, but I'm trying to make it neat & reversible.

Coding is going to be the fun part.. let's wait until I get that part going before anyone else jumps in because of me
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