i have tried going through all of the menus to see if i can find where it is programmable, like it was on the CCC, but i have not been able to find it. i tried looking through the manual for 2010 e60's and the buttons do not appear to be programmable. the icons have changed on them. instead of diamond, it is a CD and a box type icon.

G~

 

interesting. my car is behaving just the same as pavanbabut. the diamond is doing nothing. i also have the LDW option, so that is my lower button.

Pavanbabut-did you also do a CIC upgrade? there must be something that needs be coded in the CIC to let it know about that button. i will be going into the CIC module to do some minor coding (enabling night vision) i may poke around and see if there is a setting that may hint at that button.

pshovest- that is a bummer that it is how it is suppose to be behave. both my e39 and the e61 (with CCC) behaved the other way. it seems to make more sense to me. i may go in and swap the wires around to get it back to the "correct" way. i am glad to know that it looks like all is installed as it should be.

thank you,

G~

 

interesting. my car is behaving just the same as pavanbabut. the diamond is doing nothing. i also have the LDW option, so that is my lower button.

Pavanbabut-did you also do a CIC upgrade? there must be something that needs be coded in the CIC to let it know about that button. i will be going into the CIC module to do some minor coding (enabling night vision) i may poke around and see if there is a setting that may hint at that button.

pshovest- that is a bummer that it is how it is suppose to be behave. both my e39 and the e61 (with CCC) behaved the other way. it seems to make more sense to me. i may go in and swap the wires around to get it back to the "correct" way. i am glad to know that it looks like all is installed as it should be.

thank you,

G~

Yes, I also did the CIC upgrade.

On the other note, I was not able to get SSD working, so I installed original drive back again. Since you did this recently and are able to get SSD going, could you breifly tell me what you did to clone the stock drive? BTW, do you have option SA 601 (TV FUNCTION) on yours?

thanks

 

being a US car, we do did not have the SA 601 option. i do however have the night vision option. which in our case apparently uses the same pins that the SA 601 uses.

the trick i found to getting the SSD to work was finding a working VM of QNX. when i get back to the machine i used to do this, i will post the exact name of the torrent that had the QNX VM on it.

i used a Mac with the QNX VM to get to do all of the necessary HD magic on the SSD. used Ubuntu for the rest.

i was not able to get things to behave properly when trying to format and partition size changing when in Ubuntu. only QNX seemed to work.

G~

 

being a US car, we do did not have the SA 601 option. i do however have the night vision option. which in our case apparently uses the same pins that the SA 601 uses.

the trick i found to getting the SSD to work was finding a working VM of QNX. when i get back to the machine i used to do this, i will post the exact name of the torrent that had the QNX VM on it.

i used a Mac with the QNX VM to get to do all of the necessary HD magic on the SSD. used Ubuntu for the rest.

i was not able to get things to behave properly when trying to format and partition size changing when in Ubuntu. only QNX seemed to work.

G~

Great, thats what I thought of SA601 option. I am planning to do night vision retrofit and read that SA601 is required for this, but I didnt beleive it 100% as SA601 is not an option in US.

I see you have ACC2 as well, did you retrofit it or its a factory option on yours? This is one among my list of retrofits would like to do.

Will wait for your info on the SSD cloning stuff.

 

just a thought. did you swap out the iDrive controller or are you still using the CCC controller? i am wondering if not having the media button on the controller maybe causing some oddness with the steering wheel button. i currently have the CCC iDrive controller. i am waiting for the e64 controller trim piece before i swap to the CIC controller. my wood trim is apparently a rare color only offered in 08, and not with the CIC controller shaped cutout. i will need to Dremel my original.

G~

 

just a thought. did you swap out the iDrive controller or are you still using the CCC controller? i am wondering if not having the media button on the controller maybe causing some oddness with the steering wheel button. i currently have the CCC iDrive controller. i am waiting for the e64 controller trim piece before i swap to the CIC controller. my wood trim is apparently a rare color only offered in 08, and not with the CIC controller shaped cutout. i will need to Dremel my original.

G~

Luckily my car's CCC came with CIC iDrive controller, so I nothing to replace there.

 

bummer, i was hoping that when i swapped out to the CIC controller the button would start working again. oh well.

the .iso i was able to find with a QNX VM on it was qnxsdp-6.5.0-201007091524-dvd.iso.torrent (sorry, not a link, just the name of the torrent)

in there, there is a Neutrino641Target VM that i used with VMware Fusion.

i ran into some problems mounting the partitions as read only, so i had to use mount -r -t to get them mounted properly in Ubuntu.

it took me a few days of fighting this to finally get it all working, but the key was getting that Neutrino VM. with the VM the instructions were pretty much spot on.

i used this thread.

G~

 

the ACC was already on the car. my e61 literally has every option that was available according to the BMW catalog of that year. i figured it must have been a demo car.

if it did not have all of these options i would have gone for the NBT upgrade and not the CIC. NBT does not work with the HUD, vented seats, and night vision.

G~

 

the ACC was already on the car. my e61 literally has every option that was available according to the BMW catalog of that year. i figured it must have been a demo car.

if it did not have all of these options i would have gone for the NBT upgrade and not the CIC. NBT does not work with the HUD, vented seats, and night vision.

G~

Thanks for your info and quick replies. Mine is also specd with everything except for ACC2 and night vision. I would really like to have ACC2 and then dpending on the budget night vision as well.

 

you also have the vented seats! i have not seen many with the vented seats.

G~

 

you also have the vented seats! i have not seen many with the vented seats.

G~

Hi there,

I thought of taking another stab at SSD conversion which I failed on my first attempt while I am installing CIC. This time I followed the guide you linked word to word in ubuntu and still no success. At the end made sure I have all the partitions as shown in that thread on SSD. I am using Zheino 128GB SSD that was used and recommended by many CIC users.

When I turn ON the car with SSD installed, DVD playback doesnt work, navigation is greyed out.. ohh well, not sure what I can do now, may I know what kind of SSD setup are you using?

thanks

 

this is the drive i am using:

RECADATA mSATA III MLC High Level Enterprise Class Solid State Drive SSD (256GB)

this is the interface i am using:

Ableconn IIDE-MSAT mSATA SSD to 2.5-Inch IDE Adapter Converter with Aluminum Frame Bracket - Latch and Retain mSATA SSD as 9.5mm 2.5" IDE SSD Drive

i was not able to get it work by only using Ubuntu. i had to use the QNX VM. find the QNX VM using the name of the torrent i listed earlier in the thread. some people have had ok luck just cloning the drive and loosing the extra space, but i wanted to expand the size of the music partition, and QNX was needed for that.

i believe i used the UBCD for the initial cloning of the drive to the SSD.

G~

 

i believe i used the UBCD for the initial cloning of the drive to the SSD.

G~

Thanks, I will try with UBCD this time around. I want to get the clone working first before venturing time into expanding the volume as I was not able to get the clone to work in the first place yet. If I can get this to work, I would be more than half happy

Maybe I would buy a good msata drive and adapter like you guys.

I have a quick question, if I update my CIC software later, do I need to do the volume expansion again or is it evne not possible to update the software on expanded drive? I know its only the music volume being messed up with, but just wanted to ask.

 

you need to use a program that can do block by block copies of a HD.

what are you using as a SSD? did you get an IDE SSD?

as far as i know, you will not need to do the expansion again. the software does not mess with how the drive is partitioned. it is only updating the software within the CIC. i did not poke around in the other partitions to see if the software is even located on the HD.

G~

 

you need to use a program that can do block by block copies of a HD.

what are you using as a SSD? did you get an IDE SSD?

as far as i know, you will not need to do the expansion again. the software does not mess with how the drive is partitioned. it is only updating the software within the CIC. i did not poke around in the other partitions to see if the software is even located on the HD.

G~

I was using dd command in ubuntu terminal to do the copy and restore to a Zheino IDE SSD which has been used by many CIC owners.

 

have you tried to format the drive with fat32 and test it on a machine, just to make sure the drive is behaving properly?

G~

 

I am actually starting off with a raw disk wihtout formatting it ahead.

 

yea, sometimes i just go for it and use the visual tools sometimes in stead of using command line.

glad you got it working!

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i just tried coding my CIC for the change in pins for NIVI, but it did not work.

has anybody done this recently? i change the NVC to Wert_21 from Wert_23 after changing the pins, but it is still not working. before i go out and pull the CIC out again to check my connections is there anything else i can look at to see what could be going wrong, or if the code has changed.

i know my coding worked as the legel disclaimer is not there anymore, so i know the code change stuck.

G~

 

yea, sometimes i just go for it and use the visual tools sometimes in stead of using command line.

glad you got it working!

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i just tried coding my CIC for the change in pins for NIVI, but it did not work.

has anybody done this recently? i change the NVC to Wert_21 from Wert_23 after changing the pins, but it is still not working. before i go out and pull the CIC out again to check my connections is there anything else i can look at to see what could be going wrong, or if the code has changed.

i know my coding worked as the legel disclaimer is not there anymore, so i know the code change stuck.

G~

So, I tried doing the partitioning the way mentioned in that thread, no go, car didnt recognize SSD after that. So, I went back to cloning for now. But by that time it was around 1AM and didnt feel like taking another go at it. I like the idea of expanind the music partitioning so I thought I would give the stock partition a go, at first I tohught I would check how much space is left in there (I am sure there is nothing stored in it at the moment), but when ever I select Music Collection, the contents of the window are greyed out as shown in this picture. I remember seeing the same with the stock drive as well. Is this the case with others as well when there is nothing in there?

Are you referring to NightVision when you say NiVi? If it is, that would be interesting to see what you find out since I am planning to do that retrofit as well and eventually might face the same issues as you are.

 

i was not able to resize the partitions properly unless i used the QNX tools. did you find/download the QNX DVD.iso i listed earlier?

i am still fighting the night vision. i see all of the options, and the screen switches to the settings for the night vision, i am just not seeing an image from the night vision camera.

i have found out that the button used to change the audio sources is tuning on and off HDC (hill decent control). not sure why this is, but at least i know what it is doing.

G~

 

i was not able to resize the partitions properly unless i used the QNX tools. did you find/download the QNX DVD.iso i listed earlier?

i am still fighting the night vision. i see all of the options, and the screen switches to the settings for the night vision, i am just not seeing an image from the night vision camera.

i have found out that the button used to change the audio sources is tuning on and off HDC (hill decent control). not sure why this is, but at least i know what it is doing.

G~

Yes, I did download that iso and installed Neutrino VM extracted from QNX_VM.zip that is in there. I hope thats is the right way.

 

Sorry, for the delay. i went back through the system i used for this project, and i gave out the wrong .iso i used. what i used to get the Neturino VM was:

qnxsdp-6.5.0-201007091524-dvd.iso.torrent

go to the Target directory and unpack QNX_Eval_RT.zip

i used Neutrino641Target.vmdk as the VM.

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i also got night vision working. i did the pin switch properly. what i did wrong is i had to many devices set to wert_21. when i changed TV to wert_23 it worked. i expect that this is only for US vehicles. i am also not sure why my vehicle would be different. everyone else seemed to be fine with both NVC and TV set to wert_21. i just got a blank screen.

G~

 

Sorry, for the delay. i went back through the system i used for this project, and i gave out the wrong .iso i used. what i used to get the Neturino VM was:

qnxsdp-6.5.0-201007091524-dvd.iso.torrent

go to the Target directory and unpack QNX_Eval_RT.zip

i used Neutrino641Target.vmdk as the VM.

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i also got night vision working. i did the pin switch properly. what i did wrong is i had to many devices set to wert_21. when i changed TV to wert_23 it worked. i expect that this is only for US vehicles. i am also not sure why my vehicle would be different. everyone else seemed to be fine with both NVC and TV set to wert_21. i just got a blank screen.

G~

Great to hear that you got it working. This gives me more confidence to do the retrofit.

Actually thats the actual VM I was using and the iso I downlaoded. I just ordered a msata and and an IDE adapter to play with this. Will keep you posted how it goes. Meanwhile I would like to start doing the combox upgrade along with AUX video input.

 

has anybody done the Combox retrofit for an e60 lately? i am thinking bout starting this as the prices for the combox are not that bad. finding info on just the combox install part is hard to piece through. from which combox to get, to the actually "coding" of things.

thank you,

G~

 

has anybody done the Combox retrofit for an e60 lately? i am thinking bout starting this as the prices for the combox are not that bad. finding info on just the combox install part is hard to piece through. from which combox to get, to the actually "coding" of things.

thank you,

G~

 

has anybody done the Combox retrofit for an e60 lately? i am thinking bout starting this as the prices for the combox are not that bad. finding info on just the combox install part is hard to piece through. from which combox to get, to the actually "coding" of things.

thank you,

G~

Here is a very good post on this related to E60 retrofit. I used this as reference to order the parts for my retrofit. I have all the parts I need, waiting on the software side now. My CIC has old version C09 and I read that it needs to be >=C13 version for CIC even to recognize combox and for free BMW connected option. It is advised to do any CIC upgrades/downgrades via MOST only (using ICOM A2+B).

Some more helpful links
https://www.bmwlogicseven.com/?p=4176
https://cartechnology.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=10097
https://cartechnology.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=23615&pid=241152

Keep us posted on how your retrofit goes.

 

yep, that is the one i am mainly using also.

right now figuring out the combox itself is the tough part. i think the rest will be fairly straightforward. there is such a difference in prices of these combox's it makes me more gun-shy than normal. it seems that the ones with Telematics are the inexpensive ones. the media only ones are the expensive ones. from what i have been reading it sounds like the telematics can be coded out. still researching this part of the process.

G~

 

I coded out the telematics piece and picked one up for about 100 dollars from a wrecked 1 series on ebay that worked great!

The cabling and connectors to do it clean cost me another 60 dollars, but as mentioned coding the CIC for a later firmware was the expensive part. There is a sweet spot, too old (mine had the original 1st CIC firmware) gives little functionality and the newest uses digital certs to enable/disable options.

Just remember if you get the newest version of firmware, you will also need to load obtain digital certificates to enable BMW connected apps, which is nice. I did that but it was a PIA to have them generated and loaded!

also opens up cool minor things like the telematics box will allow you to connect two phones via Bluetooth at the same time (incoming calls will be answered by the unit but all outgoing calls default to the primary phone) but that must be coded specifically.

 

I coded out the telematics piece and picked one up for about 100 dollars from a wrecked 1 series on ebay that worked great!

The cabling and connectors to do it clean cost me another 60 dollars, but as mentioned coding the CIC for a later firmware was the expensive part. There is a sweet spot, too old (mine had the original 1st CIC firmware) gives little functionality and the newest uses digital certs to enable/disable options.

Just remember if you get the newest version of firmware, you will also need to load obtain digital certificates to enable BMW connected apps, which is nice. I did that but it was a PIA to have them generated and loaded!

also opens up cool minor things like the telematics box will allow you to connect two phones via Bluetooth at the same time (incoming calls will be answered by the unit but all outgoing calls default to the primary phone) but that must be coded specifically.

I have read that you can have telematics enabled except that you have to have it enabled by BMW which means you have to pay for that.

Having the right firmware is crucial for CIC to recognize combox and there are varying opinions on this. Some say if you are able to update maps via passenger side foot well glove box USB, combox should be recognized and coding can be done, but others say at least C1A firmware is needed. I can update maps as above, but mine is at C09 firmware and when I updated my maps, it was loaded with 2009 maps (which means the owner of the donor car new did any updates).

If we can have clear instructions on how to code combox (at the moment this part is very vaguely documented), I am all ready to try it out. But paying someone to do the coding and then realizing that you have one version older firmware doesnt pay off.

 

OK, has anybody successfully retrofitted a combox into a e60/e61 that has night vision and climate controlled seats? i am having a bear of a time getting mine programmed and i am wondering if it is even possible using the E90 as a starting point. i do not think that the e90 ever came with night vision or climate controlled seats, so i think that is cause of my coding errors when i try and write to the CIC.

is there another E-series i can start with, or is this a lost cause and i should just go back to my TCU/Mulf setup.

my VIN is CX00452

the VO codes in question are:
S453A
S611A

right now i am stuck with a CIC that does not want to leave German, and no hint of night vision or climate controlled seat feedback in the display.

i have a fully functional CIC. it is only the addition of the combox with all of the vehicles option i am trying to do.

Thank you for any insight one way or the other.

G~

 

OK, has anybody successfully retrofitted a combox into a e60/e61 that has night vision and climate controlled seats? i am having a bear of a time getting mine programmed and i am wondering if it is even possible using the E90 as a starting point. i do not think that the e90 ever came with night vision or climate controlled seats, so i think that is cause of my coding errors when i try and write to the CIC.

is there another E-series i can start with, or is this a lost cause and i should just go back to my TCU/Mulf setup.

my VIN is CX00452

the VO codes in question are:
S453A
S611A

right now i am stuck with a CIC that does not want to leave German, and no hint of night vision or climate controlled seat feedback in the display.

i have a fully functional CIC. it is only the addition of the combox with all of the vehicles option i am trying to do.

Thank you for any insight one way or the other.

G~

 

sorry, for the double post, not sure why that happened.

anywho. i got it sorted. it was me not going the correct way with the MAN file merge and me trying to use a new method (for me anyway) of editing TRC files. i was getting confused and it would give interesting results.

on another note. during all of my messing around with coding the CIC/combox i managed to get a different music entertainment display option, that i am not able to get any more. now that i have everything coded "correctly" when i am in the Currently Playing list, i do not get album art. at one point during my messing around i was able to get album art in the Currently playing screen. i did not have to go the previous playlist navigation screen to get album art. has anybody come across this before? i would prefer the album art in the Currently Playing screen, so i can use the split screen for something else besides the album artwork. i expect it has to do with the combox code, and not the CIC coding, but i am not sure. i could also not find any settings to change the way the information is displayed.

i will keep playing around and see if i can find a pattern.

G~

 

sorry, for the double post, not sure why that happened.

anywho. i got it sorted. it was me not going the correct way with the MAN file merge and me trying to use a new method (for me anyway) of editing TRC files. i was getting confused and it would give interesting results.

on another note. during all of my messing around with coding the CIC/combox i managed to get a different music entertainment display option, that i am not able to get any more. now that i have everything coded "correctly" when i am in the Currently Playing list, i do not get album art. at one point during my messing around i was able to get album art in the Currently playing screen. i did not have to go the previous playlist navigation screen to get album art. has anybody come across this before? i would prefer the album art in the Currently Playing screen, so i can use the split screen for something else besides the album artwork. i expect it has to do with the combox code, and not the CIC coding, but i am not sure. i could also not find any settings to change the way the information is displayed.

i will keep playing around and see if i can find a pattern.

G~

Please keep us updated in this manner. Very interesting find.

 

getting closer, it appears there was a change in 2011.

March 2011 Build - Album Art question (Did software change with March 2011 build)

trying to see what all has changed and to see if something is lost by going back, if going back is possible.

G~

 

Hi,

I bought the OEM display cable from Amazon, very pleased with it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adapter-Co...System/dp/B086VRMHTL/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=bmw+cic&qid=1593948786&sr=8-4

 

Hi,

I bought the OEM display cable from Amazon, very pleased with it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adapter-Co...System/dp/B086VRMHTL/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=bmw+cic&qid=1593948786&sr=8-4

 

I used this guide as my goto for doing a CIC/Combox retrofit on a 2006 BMW 530 XI. Great job, it really made life so easy for me;

* You took excellent pictures, I was able to verify part numbers, specifics about my interior that had me confident in my purchases, etc. There really isn't a better guide to help one through this retrofit. Thank you!

Some key differences in my car, which I bought used 2 years ago as a project car:

1. I had a CCC-Mask in my car originally, and the owner before me retrofit (he must have) a screen from some other lower CCC package. I learned that this had to be the case along the way, because after default coding the CIC to the car's VO - the CID screen went black. My VO only had 605 and 639, but you need 609 for a screen, or at least one of 606-609 for [one of the] navigation system variants. You can add 620 too, for fun, as long as you have the hardware - to support to voice control. The only other idea I can think of here is that the prior owner just really sucked at coding and messed things up (tamper flag is thrown, so maybe...but...).
   
   In hopes of providing a catch on Google for those looking:
   
   

   My CID screen display went black / blank after default coding the CIC in an E60 530XI CIC retrofit.

   No problem! Do this:
   
   1. Make sure you have the latest SPDATEN files (download base and e60 from bimmergeeks.net, and follow the update process properly to update INPA, NFS, and NCSEXPER).
   2. Following the guide for coding your VO, add FA 609 to your VO (verify you don't have it first - perhaps you have only 605 and 639?), making sure to code [FA_WRITE job] this to CAS and LMA (you won't have FRM or NFRM, and you're working on an e60, not an e89 ).
   3. After verifying the VO took, read your VO from CAS, go back, select ECU (CIC), change job to SG_CODEIREN, execute job, and watch your screen come back on after the reboot!
      
2. I did not have the prewired GPS cable, or to put it more bluntly - I did not have nav prep. I did have 605 and 639, so I did have the SOS GPS antenna and TCU unit with Bluetooth and telematics.
   
   So I bought myself a Fakra C Male to 2x Fakra C Female (straight 6-inches) splitter, and then bought a 25' rg-174 cable, a set of (quality) crimpers and dies, some molex-brand smb fakra-II connectors from digikey, and built my own 12.5 foot run (which let me run my RG-174 along the harness path from the TCU mount (from about where your cable was found in the trunk) through the cable protector sleeve behind the rear seat (which you can't do with a bulky fakra connector pre-fabbed), along the driver side trim (but under it, of course), up behind the trim near the OBD connection, across and above the panel near the stereoscopic tilt motor (zipping to the harnesses, and across its path) and into the CIC unit cavity.
   
   Originally I had bought a 6-foot pre-fabbed navigation cable, but then returned it for a 12 foot, then needed a 6-inch extension to get quite enough to plug it in while the CIC unit was out of it's cavity, because it cannot be plugged while the unit is mounted properly. This is not only crude imho, but the cable isn't protected and run through the protector sleeve like the other harness wires... so I spent the same amount preparing to make my own cables, and then returned the prefabbed ones when I finally replaced them (good ol' Ebay).
   
3. My Combox was a bn2000, but had c09 firmware; I'm going with the swpatcher method (screw the emulator)... and so I'm waiting on a china-knock icomm to flash it to c1a; after which I'll do so. I did not bother making my own plug'n'play harness. There's no warranty, Im not selling the car, and it's much cheaper to just repin. I only needed to purchase the 61136913644 part for wiring my combox; even the seller (for the listing New For BMW E36 E46 E92 F30 E61 F10 E63 E65 E66 Covering Cap 26 Pol./Z-Code OES | eBay ) seems to think it is just the cover, and not the socket housing; but when I got the part, it was sealed in plastic direct from BMW and indeed had the 26-pin socket-housing inside of it. I ultimately returned the 61136913626 part and now have 4 kufatec connectors (I'll probably make the harnesses for sale and will undercut the ebayers since I bought them, and 1000s of male/femal terminal/contacts).
   
4. Repinning the combox left me with 4 pins unused, a second ground on the gray pin socket-housing within the cover for the TCU pigtal, number 46 on the same, and pins 24 and 25 on the black socket-housing within the same pigtail (which are wheel speed sensor pins, guessing for speed/volume control that the combox probably takes from MOST and so doesn't need).

My total was probably in the area of $375.00 for the entire retrofit (CIC and Combox); I waited for good auctions on ebay, bought used connectors by part number rather than by name and wasn't afraid to take the time to check auctions that resulted with named listings, but which showed the part number inside (so I got a $3.00 connector for my CID, a $2.99 connector for the controller, a $14.00 connector for the Combox, a $60.00 CID, a $100.00 CIC, I messaged a seller selling climate controls and asked him to sell me just the faceplate for $20.00, and did have to pay $30.00 for the heated seats/PDC controller trim).

Of course, its 2021, and no longer 2011-2013. But they're still selling retrofit kits with just the major portions for 400-600, and full kits for 1k +.

Screw that

I'm not hoping to have contributed too much here by sharing this, but perhaps others with the same scenario can gain from my sharing. I do hope to help anyone that wound up with a black screen - but more importantly I just wanted to thank the original poster for his thread - Epic job, Thanks!

 

Well good work! I’m amazed at the price you got everything for. I had been running an Avin unit for a while before I found a great local deal on a CIC so I switched to that and an mmi box for CarPlay and am extremely happy. I retained the gps antenna from the Avin unit and it’s just sitting behind the CIC under the dash and works great. I appreciate that you did all the gps wiring yourself there, but am also glad for how simple mine was

 

Can I ask where you purchased your setup? Sorry for the reboot - just jumped on the thread and looking to do this with a 2007 E70.